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LDS 112 Coax SuperLight

#61
Now that I'm looking, it's very close in dims to the HT112, with a little width removed due to the coax...but 1 inch deeper. I have to say, I am very interested in the upright response of this box. Like most of you, I thought the S-D15X was a great cab but it lacked a little presence and detail for upright. In a way, this is like a Wizzy/UL112/HT112 hybrid, very cool!

W
 
#63
Ric Vice said:
Neptoon,
I remember when I had the 2X8 three way built Don was very good about all the possible options for components but my cabinet was actually designed by Don and MacMarkt. Don just suggested a different
tweeter to mellow it out for DB and it worked like a charm. Greenboy is right about listening to Don because the options on one of his cabinets are endless. Here are some examples.

Road Spray Finish or Carpet on the Cabinet
Detachable Cart?
Side Mounted Tweeter and Midrange Controls
Underside Surface Mount Handle to Elevate the Cabinet
Strap Handle or Retractable Road Handles
Graduated Front Rubber Cabinet Feet that tilt the cab upward
Mello or Agressive Tweeter
Speaker Placement within the cabinet.
4 0r 8 ohm

Ric

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yeah, that's exactly why i would leave the details to the guy whose job it is to build rockin' boxes
 
#64
neptoon said:
yeah, that's exactly why i would leave the details to the guy whose job it is to build rockin' boxes
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I don't see how it is possibly a bad thing to choose what sort of finish you put on the cab, what kind of handles, what resistance, etc. I mean, I've got nothing against non-custom cabs, but surely you've had a bad experience with a carpet cab and thought, man, if this thing had some of that duratex on it, I'd be in a lot better shape.

I can see how one could be apprehensive about designing a cabinet. But if you listen to Don, he does it for you. You give him a few specifications - I'd like a 26" wide neo 2x12 with a midrange driver, for example - and he'll say, "well, you could do an 8 or 2 6s, and it will be so-and-so deep, and so-and-so tall, and by the way, what finish and resistance would you like?" Seems like a great option, especially when they can build a wide variety of very high quality cabinets for cheaper than the big companies can do it.
 
#65
well, sure, i'm pretty confident i could handle what type of handles, casters, covering, and basic configuration...i just happened to be looking at his site and couldn't help but to think that people were maybe hunting for snipes with some of those odd designs...something that sounds interesting at the moment, as it was beought up in another thread, would be an 8x8 with 7 conventional drivers and a coax driver...like an uber henry, ya know?


not trying to derail your thread, bro!
 
#69
neptoon said:
well, sure, i'm pretty confident i could handle what type of handles, casters, covering, and basic configuration...i just happened to be looking at his site and couldn't help but to think that people were maybe hunting for snipes with some of those odd designs...something that sounds interesting at the moment, as it was beought up in another thread, would be an 8x8 with 7 conventional drivers and a coax driver...like an uber henry, ya know?


not trying to derail your thread, bro!
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You make a very good point. If you try to specify too much for Don, you could get in trouble. The only thing I told him was that I wanted the smallest, lightest 112 he could make that would still generate at least reasonable volume and low end. I did specify that I wanted the coax... mainly because that would allow for a smaller footprint (at least in the width of the cab).

Don does like to experiment though, and he's made some unusual cabs that even he admits were a little over the top.

However, Don has a pretty good way of 'tuning' a cab to the requester. For example, he has 210 designs that are very grunty and growly for the 'rock with pick' guys... he uses different woofers, tweeters and crossovers than the 210's for the pop/slap guys. He also is doing some very cool things with 8" neo and ceramic speakers. Pretty cool stuff as long as you don't specify something dumb, AND realize that when you go very small and light, there is a trade-off in low end and volume.

K
 
#70
Ric Vice said:
Nathan,
I'm pretty sure that Ken just sold his Bergie 210. So you might want
to ask him why. If I remember correctly, he just couldn't get it to to what he wanted. I do know that he has a Euphonic Audio NL 210 in his future, if that's any help. He's a great judge of cabinet's and he tries them out for a long time before he passed judgment.

Ric
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Hey Ric!

First, thanks again for coming out to the gig the other night. For the rest of the guys looking in on the thread, Ric is a fantastic DB jazz player. It's always quite an interesting thing for me to be doing my 'jazz impersonation' on electric when the real thing is in the house (Ric goes easy on me though... but I know the EB playing those tunes hurts his ears sometime:D )

You know, I told you I was selling the Berg stack at that gig, but I really had a good weekend with the Berg's and the Walter, so I'm keeping them (I've had a real love/hate thing going with the Berg's for a while now). Great cabs if you hook them up with the right amp and bass! They are quite heavy, but the small footprint makes it manageable.

+1 to Vic... the NL-210 is wonderful with the Walter, and I do have one on the way!!!!

OK, back to the previously scheduled topic!!!!

PS Ric also owns a relatively mint 1958 P Bass that he allows me to play every once in a while. I am not a P Bass guy, but could happily play that bass for the rest of my life!!!! Amazing!
 
#71
Nathan Bersée;3871006 said:
Well if you do get to try it out, I'm really interested as to what you think. I play upright 99% of the time and am torn between one big, juicy 4ohm 1x12 with high power handling (for my Woods) or a couple of 8ohm Bergie 12's. Decisions, decisions...
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I just saw this post. Hey Nathan... the cool thing about the Walter Ultra is that it has SO much power, that the 8ohm/4ohm thing kind of becomes a moot point (i.e., the Walter will put more power out at 8 ohms than literally any 112 could handle.

If there is one thing that sounds wonderful in this world... it's the Walter Woods and the Bergies.... there is a rumour going around that Jim B. actually used the Walter as the tone source when desinging his cabs. From what I understand, Nick Epifani also relied on the Walter when designing and tuning the old T cabs that are no longer made.

The specific LDS cab that I have, with the 'Epifani UL' type B&C Neo is not optimal for the Walter IMO... although it's not bad sounding by any means. I'm actually planning on using the iAmp500 with this cab for the most part. The Berg HT112 has more low mids and deeper low end, which fits the Walter quite nicely. It's a reasonable weight also. Highly recommended with the Walter.
 
#77
Thanks to Ken, I got to spend a few days with this cab. I did not get any clips or pics like I had hoped, but I did get to check it out with upright and electric both gigging and in my basement.

All of my testing is with a Focus 2 S2, german upright with underwood and condenser mic (blended), Fodera Monarch.

Don's build quality continues to get better and better. The spray coating looks terrific and the cosmetics look very professional, at least as good as Epifani and/or Bergantino. I really liked the spring-loaded tilt back handle on the bottom.

I really enjoyed this cab for upright. The tone is very woody and present without any wooliness or boxiness. The HT and the LDS are similar in size and generally quite similar in tone. I found that the cab went significantly deeper than the HT112 but lacked a little bit of the upper mid/middle mid bite that the HT puts out. Overall, I actually found it more pleasing and natural than the HT but without some of the "ugly" that helps the HT cut through.

I found the LDS to be a much better upright cab than the UL110. The top end is more present (surprisingly) with the LDS, and it beats the 110 on low end hands down.

It is worth noting that the LDS is a MUCH better carry than the HT, despite only being 6lbs lighter.

With electric, I actually noticed the little "hole" in the middle mids a bit more. I think it would be a very good electric cab for Ken's style...nice lows and nice highs...but my sound lives in the mids. I didn't find that the fingerstyle stuff "jumped" out as well as it does from the UL112.

I know Ken spec'd this cab to have as much low end as Don could design into it. Nevertheless, I have found that the LDS cabs tend to go very deep. I suppose it has something to do with the crossover and/or porting? Anyway, I believe they tend to put out much more low end than other similarly sized cabs.

For my purposes, I would like to hear the same driver in a cab voiced for more mid-punch and less low end. It is an excellent sounding coax driver which, overall, I prefer to the bullet tweeter in the HT112 and the phenolic tweeter in the UL cabs.

Thanks Ken!!! Can't wait to hear from the Woods users when they get to check it out.

Some more electric specific stuff:

This cab actually seems to go deeper than the UL112, but I would be surprised if it sounds "bigger" at volume. It could though.

It is actually significantly brighter than the UL series cabs, which is also kind of surprising. The highs are much bigger and more present than the UL phenolic tweeter, which sounds just dark by comparison.
 
#78
greenboy said:
If you ever decide to do that compact coax 15, I found a very light driver for you, Ken - complete with waveguide (that's good!). Should kick up quite a storm - good low end too.
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That's a pretty cool driver. Nice xmax for a coax, but... is it just me, or does it look like that thing has a gigantic high mid hump in it? Like, 15dB. Or am I misreading the graph?

P.
 
#80
That looks like a killer cab... Got me thinking with that 2x12 suggestion earlier... one non-coax, one coax... hmmm... I'm planning on having Don build me a single 12 to go with my current 3-way cab.

On that particular cab, Greenboy suggested that I might be "wasting" a driver by teaming the 8" with a 5.25 and 12" driver... He may be right, but the way Don crossed it over it sounds terrific. I specified "something similar to a Tri-112 with more grunt" and asked about using the 12, 8 and a soft-dome tweeter. He said he doesn't recommend the soft-domes for electric as they don't sit well (but do sound great with upright), and suggested one of the newer 5.25" drivers that have an extended top end, so that's what we did.

I can tell you this thing is exactly what I was hoping for. 500 watts, 42 lbs, sounds great for fingerstyle (90% of my playing), slap, chords... And the build quality is second to none.
 

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