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Les Claypool/Primus...........were is the love?

Seeing Primus and Rush together years ago nearly blew my mind! What a show that was. I was HUGE into Primus back then, but I have to say that that I haven't really liked anything they did after Pork Soda, other than a few songs from Punchbowl....especially Southbound Pachyderm. I hate to say it, but I think I outgrew them. How many songs about food can you really do?
 
I saw Les on the Charlie and the Chocolate Factory tour recently....Really enjoyed the show. I'm not a diehard fan, but I wanted to see his technique up close and personal. A lot of what he does is very simple and he just does it very well, but there were a couple of times he played a few licks and I was genuinely impressed. All together one of the most unique shows I've seen....Primus definitely sucks...
 
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I've been playing Primus songs for about 17 years now, so I'm likely as qualified as anyone to break down Les' style. Please note all of my comments are being made as a person that's loved this band for about 25 years, have seen them over 10 times, and learned most of their catalog up to 2002 by 2003 or so.

Les is a divisive bass player because he specifically has developed a style that is incredibly unique, but flies in the face of conventional playing.

His strumming technique, for example, is extremely uncommon. To the point that when I heard Alex/Dirk from Incubus use it on a track of theirs (Privilege IIRC), in 2001, on the radio I literally had to stop and figure out what band it was. When I realized it was Incubus and Alex (who I went to school with) I was relieved as only he, myself, Stanley Clarke and a handful of guys that have studied either Stanley or Les actually do that and I was worried about additional competition.

Again, it's an incredibly uncommon technique. I broke it out at a jam at the Baked Potato a week or two ago and a few guys ***'d on me. Stanley invented it in the 70s, but it is simply not mainstream.

Once you get past the "man that looks amazing" factor, and actually break down the parts a few patterns emerge:

1) Melodically Les can be a bit limited. Lots of flat seconds and minor thirds in his stuff. You do not get a lot of Primus songs in a major key. This isn't a problem, but it does limit their variety.

2) Since they're a trio, their tonal center is often somewhat ambiguous so he just tosses in a lot of chromatic stuff as well. It *works* because he doesn't clash with big chords coming off of Ler. In a larger band context he either has to hold back on that stuff, or pulls it out when other guys are laying *waaaay* back.

3) Unless you plan to write everything in your band, play bass, and sing, he's a bad example to follow too closely. I'm speaking from experience as someone that was the musically dominant force in a band that was nearly signed. His style is so very dominant musically, that I'd speculate if he had not developed as a singer or primary song writer for Primus, he probably would be a guy with a day job, playing kick ass bass in a cover band a few times a month for fun. He would have eventually clashed with the singer, guitarist, or producer otherwise.

4) Les uses three fingers in a galloping style strum, for triplets. Once you get that technique down a lot of his triplet work becomes really simple. e.g the solo on Those Damn Blue Collar Tweekers. If you use a traditional pick or two finger approach those licks take a lot of extra work to get down right. I picked up his three finger technique 14 years ago and fall back on that whenever I need to do quick triplets. It's just easier.

So...I'm still a big fan, and still go to shows, but after studying his techniques for as long as I have the "magic" factor is less present. You eventually start to realize there are guys playing bass, that you can barely hear, that are a bit more creative melodically, have a cleaner technique, and are maybe "better" bassists, but are clearly not being paid to be a "rock star".

From what I've read here, I'm not alone, as there are a lot of bassist on this forum that have enjoyed Primus for as long as I have, or longer, but have also studied Les to that extent.

So, lots of love from my end, but the worship factor has died off as I've grown up.

YMMV.

Excellent summation of the Les Claypool "experience"!

I started playing bass in 1994 and Les was a huge early influence.

Overtime, I found myself getting deeper into the cats who influenced Les and found emulating his style wasn't going to get me many traditional gigs.

All in all, Les is a great player and a wonderful sunshine bizarre personality who deserves all of the success and notoriety in the world!

Primus Sucks!
 
In the original post, did you mean theres not a single video on there _without_ negative comments? Otherwise it kinda doesn't make sense.

But more on-topic: I love Primus, I heard Sailing the seas of cheese at a friend's house, and had just begun learning to play bass. It was something else, something fresh, almost like the Monty Python of music, defying conventions. Never seen them live, unfortunately. Had tickets to see them a few years back, and then I realized the date crashed with my wife's birthday. I gave the tickets to my brother and stayed home :(
 
I've been a massive Primus fan since '94 and I think they are all amazing musicians. Seeing them live in 94 and the whole crowd was chanting "YOU SUCK YOU SUCK YOU SUCK YOU SUCK" was one of the most baffling things I've ever seen, but they loved it back then.

The Brown Album is one of the greatest albums ever recorded, sure it doesn't sound as polished and sparkly as a lot of their other albums but the songs are some of their best. Fisticuffs, Golden Boy, Kalamazoo, Camel Back Cinema, Over The Falls, Shake Hands With Beef, Coddington.......SO GOOD. Such catchy, groovy bass lines and some ridiculous vocals make it my favourite Primus album by a long way.

There's no one like Les and no band like Primus, truly original and I'm so glad I've been able to see them so many times.

And to this day Lacquer Head still confuses the hell outta me!
 
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They were a big early influence on me... They were, in fact, the reason I picked up the bass in the first place. It was "Sailing the Seas of Cheese" that did it.

Still listen to them, but the last album I was really into was "Punchbowl." I felt that Tim Alexander leaving the band meant that the band was no longer good, so I didn't even give "The Brown Album" a chance.

"Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now."
 
Les Claypool has influenced Geddy Lee (in Geddy's own words; I'm not making it up), and Geddy has influenced Les (Les's words). Neither one of those can be a bad thing, since they're both "out there" in their playing styles, though on different parts of the spectrum.
My only complaint with Primus is Les's demand for a consistent house 94db back to the FOH board, no matter what the venue (my first-hand info, straight from his monitor tech). The stage volume is waaaay to "kind and pleasant" to my ears also. When it's a full house, with an elaborate stage presentation, and all the acid-visual effects going on... WHERE'S THE VOLUME?!?!
 
I have said it before, but to me the two times Primus has come back they weren't Primus to me anymore. Primus was the hard, punky or metaly version of what Claypool did. The last two Primus CDs sound as though the songs would be more at home on some of Les' solo albums like Fancy, Of Fungi and Foe or Of Whales and Woe. I like his solo stuff, especiallt Frog Brigade- Purple Onion, but is (or was) different than Primus.
 
I admittedly have had limited exposure to Primus. Still, I like Les Claypool for his originality. He brings a lot more than just the bass to Primus. I think he is Primus and you could pretty much change out the drums and guitar without many people noticing. I find him quirky, tongue-in-cheek silly, unique and enjoyable in an odd, off-center way. Kind of like cubism in the world of painting. Not exactly pretty, attractive, or common, but still compelling. I think he adds to the richness of the musical landscape so yea, I respect him and like to listen to him every now and then.
 
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