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Let's See some Double P Basses


Dude, @Brad Johnson , I think I use the same yoga mat as you as a workstation pad :D

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After going a long stretch of time with no P-bass pickups in my life, I have a bass with one and I'm starting to feel like if 1 is great, 2 might be amazing. So I'm thinking it might be time to assemble a parts bass.

Warmoth only offers a P pup in the neck position on their forms, but pretty sure they'll do two for an upcharge. What's the ideal configuration? Reverse on one or both? Where do you align the coils in the bridge position? Want to make sure I reach out to them with all the necessary info to minimize the back and forth.
 
After going a long stretch of time with no P-bass pickups in my life, I have a bass with one and I'm starting to feel like if 1 is great, 2 might be amazing. So I'm thinking it might be time to assemble a parts bass.

Warmoth only offers a P pup in the neck position on their forms, but pretty sure they'll do two for an upcharge. What's the ideal configuration? Reverse on one or both? Where do you align the coils in the bridge position? Want to make sure I reach out to them with all the necessary info to minimize the back and forth.
I actually had Warmoth do a body with custom P routes. There's a $45 charge per custom route. I knew exactly what I wanted, but it still took some back-and-forth with the sales team, because there were certain restrictions the shop was facing because of where I wanted the pickups located, and therefore certain adjustments had to be made, but it all worked out smoothly in the end.

So bottom line: Yes, they can do it; yes, they will charge extra; and make your decision about what you want before you call them. I like the normal configuration, not the reverse P, so I'd recommend sticking with that. (People comment about the D & G sounding thinner, as if the E & A wouldn't also sound thinner, and the E & A sound much worse when they're thinner. Also, when you're playing up the neck, you're more likely to be playing on the D & G, which means that part of the pickup relative to the length of string being played is actually similar to the other part relative to the E & A when you're playing down the neck.)
 
I actually had Warmoth do a body with custom P routes. There's a $45 charge per custom route. I knew exactly what I wanted, but it still took some back-and-forth with the sales team, because there were certain restrictions the shop was facing because of where I wanted the pickups located, and therefore certain adjustments had to be made, but it all worked out smoothly in the end.

That's great info, thanks!

(People comment about the D & G sounding thinner, as if the E & A wouldn't also sound thinner, and the E & A sound much worse when they're thinner. Also, when you're playing up the neck, you're more likely to be playing on the D & G, which means that part of the pickup relative to the length of string being played is actually similar to the other part relative to the E & A when you're playing down the neck.)

Very good point here as well! While there is a reverse-P mystique that interests me, might be best to stick with what I know (and minimize the number of "custom" routes) unless someone comes in and makes a very compelling argument
 
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Very good point here as well! While there is a reverse-P mystique that interests me, might be best to stick with what I know (and minimize the number of "custom" routes) unless someone comes in and makes a very compelling argument
I keep a bass in my living room for whenever I get the urge to play. Right now, that bass is a Fender Blacktop Jazz. So for the heck of it, to illustrate my point about relative location, I measured the distances from the bridge to the poles of both bridge pickup segments down to the closest 1/4", and then I arbitrarily picked some convenient places on the neck to compare.

The EA segment is 3 1/4 (13/4) inches from the bridge.
The 7th fret is 23 1/4 (93/4) inches from the bridge.
The EA segment is roughly 1/7th of the distance from the 7th fret to the bridge.

The DG segment is 2 1/4 (9/4) inches from the bridge.
The 14th fret is 15 1/2 (62/4) inches from the bridge.
The DG segment is roughly 1/7th of the distance from the 14th fret to the bridge.

So as far as string vibrations are concerned, the EA & DG pickup segments are sensing the strings at similar points on the strings at 7th and 14th frets, respectively. IMO, there just isn't much to gain by reversing a P pickup in the bridge position.
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After going a long stretch of time with no P-bass pickups in my life, I have a bass with one and I'm starting to feel like if 1 is great, 2 might be amazing. So I'm thinking it might be time to assemble a parts bass.

Warmoth only offers a P pup in the neck position on their forms, but pretty sure they'll do two for an upcharge. What's the ideal configuration? Reverse on one or both? Where do you align the coils in the bridge position? Want to make sure I reach out to them with all the necessary info to minimize the back and forth.
When I was thinking about a custom build, I was thinking about two in reverse with a five-way: neck, bridge, middle (half of each), series, parallel. The idea was to stack them right on top of each other with the “middle” in the normal position. But I have no idea if that would work well.

Something like this:

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When I was thinking about a custom build, I was thinking about two in reverse with a five-way: neck, bridge, middle (half of each), series, parallel. The idea was to stack them right on top of each other with the “middle” in the normal position. But I have no idea if that would work well.
No reason why it wouldn't.
 
My two double-p twins: A Vantage VP-710b, 1981 and a Kasuga 'eagle' which I know little about. Quite different sounds, maybe because of the different positions of the pickups
 

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Resurrecting this thread if anyone is still around. On the subject of Fenders and double Ps, does anyone have thoughts on the Blacktop Jazz vs Precision Elite II? I'm aware they are different beasts (active vs passive), though I wonder if the Elite II is worth the extra coin, or maybe the jazz is a capable enough instrument.
 
Just a thought about double P's. Some of the posts in this thread mention that a split P in the bridge position can sound thin if one of the coils is too near the bridge. The new Squier debut series has a p-pickup that is about 1/4 inch closer to the neck that the usual P sweet spot, leaving a bit more room for the second split-coil pickup. Personally, I love the matte finishes on the debut series. I was gonna try to mod a debut series with a split-coil in the bridge, that is until my wife surprised me with a G&L Fallout for my birthday :bassist:

Would be a fun project, so I thought I'd send that idea out into the Talkbass ether, and let it bounce around a bit...
 
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