I think my problem was that I wasn't using it alone into amp but with and into other pedals so I really had to go LOW to make it match (unity gain).
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Limited Edition TRONOGRAPHIC Rusty Box
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I have to run Volume really low - 8 o'clock. That's with Gain around noon, give or take... and nothing else in the signal chain. Anyway, I agree that Volume is really sensitive at that position. I'll have to re-test with my highest output bass to see what happens. But I'll make sure to do the cataract hack!
I just put two clank machines together. It feels like I crossed Proton pack beams.
They actually work together quite well, in my opinion.
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Finally got to spend some quality time with my new Rusty Box. Fed a low gain tube overdrive, Bug Drive, into the RB set like this.
After about twenty minutes of jamming, my daughter, a 25 year old musical theater, jazz, R&B vocalist, visiting for the holidays, came into the room to tell me my bass had a really cool tone. "Is that the Rusty?" she asked. I turned it off and back on again and she confirmed, that the source of the cool sound was the Rusty. She's not wrong.
After about twenty minutes of jamming, my daughter, a 25 year old musical theater, jazz, R&B vocalist, visiting for the holidays, came into the room to tell me my bass had a really cool tone. "Is that the Rusty?" she asked. I turned it off and back on again and she confirmed, that the source of the cool sound was the Rusty. She's not wrong.
Someone on here did one but I can't remember which thread it was in. It was also a response to my post on my other account that I can't remember the password for or the email so I had to create this account just to get on. If I can remember either the email or the password and access my other account I'll post it up again.
And for the people wondering about the authenticity of the Rusty's sound to the Traynor, the creators sent out prototypes to a number of people with the actual amp and asked for them to compare the two and how the knob positions compared and give feedback. If you look at the RB's board it says something like V6 on it. I'm guessing that's how many versions they went through before they settled on the most authentic sound. If you need a source to all this then check the Electrical Audio forums. That's where these conversations went down. This pedal wasn't put out overnight. They went through a lot of testing to get it right.
Also I hooked up with some old band members over the last 2 weeks and we're writing and recording new music. It's gonna be all RB and I'm excited about that since it'll be the first time recording with the Rusty Box in a band setting. I've done plenty of my own recordings
Thanks heaps for the response. I'll try to have a better search myself. I would just really love to know how it interactsView attachment 4090140
Someone on here did one but I can't remember which thread it was in. It was also a response to my post on my other account that I can't remember the password for or the email so I had to create this account just to get on. If I can remember either the email or the password and access my other account I'll post it up again.
And for the people wondering about the authenticity of the Rusty's sound to the Traynor, the creators sent out prototypes to a number of people with the actual amp and asked for them to compare the two and how the knob positions compared and give feedback. If you look at the RB's board it says something like V6 on it. I'm guessing that's how many versions they went through before they settled on the most authentic sound. If you need a source to all this then check the Electrical Audio forums. That's where these conversations went down. This pedal wasn't put out overnight. They went through a lot of testing to get it right.
Also I hooked up with some old band members over the last 2 weeks and we're writing and recording new music. It's gonna be all RB and I'm excited about that since it'll be the first time recording with the Rusty Box in a band setting. I've done plenty of my own recordings, but they all suck and no one hears those.
I found it!
But I'm having a real hard time comprehending it haha
Attention fans of SHELLAC's bass tone: Tronographic Rusty Box pedal
What I can get from it, is that the bass control is a lpf, treble control is a hpf and the mid is centred at 650hz.
What I don't get is, are the bass and treble controls cut and boost? Is the mid a passive cut only?
Do the bass and treble frequencies stay the same and just go louder and quieter, or do they move sideways across the spectrum?
I'd love to see some sweep graphs.
What I don't get is, are the bass and treble controls cut and boost? Is the mid a passive cut only?
Do the bass and treble frequencies stay the same and just go louder and quieter, or do they move sideways across the spectrum?
I'd love to see some sweep graphs.
Good morning everyone. I mapped that frequency graph; let me try to explain. The graph shows ONLY the frequency response (given a flat input) of the "tri-comp" network you can easily see on the schematic. It's the final stage of the Rusty, post gain & EQ stages. The purpose is to achieve reduced intermodulation and a more even response, by overdriving narrower bandwidths (multi-band distortion/compression); all three bands share the same clipping threshold or "ceiling", and since there's no post-EQ the treble ends up dominating the sound unlike most other designs. What is NOT shown is the frequency-shaping going into it from the input-gain and EQ stages. If you map out the input-gain stage (I don't have that anymore), it's something like a what a Rat would do with increased treble pre-emphasis as the control is turned up, but I remember the high-pass frequency being even higher than a Rat, something like 3KHz (a Rat is 1.5KHz; a Tube Screamer like 750 Hz). Then, going into a fairly conventional PASSIVE eq stage, you end up with a fairly deep mid-scoop around 400 Hz, I believe. For what it's worth, I suspect the mid-band of the tri-comp "makes up" for this mid-scoop, reducing and narrowing it a bit by providing extra mid content as it overlaps with low and high bands as you can see in the graph. The EQ controls, being passive, have pretty broad responses and a lot of interaction compared to what discrete active stages would provide. Long story short, because the EQ is before the the tri-comp clipping, the EQ essentially plays a role in determining which frequencies get clipped. It is hard with the Rusty to get a high level clean bass relative to the overdriven highs because like I said they share the same "ceiling", and so the output is always a bit treble-heavy...aggression!
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I always thought it was a variety of passive "Fender" EQ, ala most classic guitar amps so can't really put it in terms of specific frequency ranges and the controls are very interactive. It does sound like there is a baked-in mid boost on top of it that helps limit the usual permanent mid scoop from the typical TMB stack.
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Thank you for mapping that out.
I did take the liberty to break it down into individual bricks of info, hope you don't mind.
Also, Cataract, I don't think Bongomania was trolling you, at least I hope not.
The special edition looks so sweet, totally in my wheelhouse of colour/design preference — sorry I missed the sale.
Would the RB somewhat be similar to the Dug Tech 21 DP3X?
I own a A/O ultra and looking for another flavor, more open/wild.
I own a A/O ultra and looking for another flavor, more open/wild.
Rusty and dUg are fairly different. I love the sizzly top end from each, but the dUg has clean low end, while the RB is dirty across the spectrum. I've been able to tilt the RB so it's dirtier on top than down low, but the end result is thin low end compared to highs... which can be corrected with amp EQ (or any other EQ after the pedal), but the RB lows won't get completely clean.
That reminds me, I was really happy running the Rusty into a VT Bass set for clean tone. The VT was great for that post EQ.
Well I have been really loving the Rusty with gain at zero. It really does make an awesome clean preamp also. I know that isn't why ppl get a RB, and it's not why I got it either, but the clean or relatively clean settings is where I really love it, which has been a big suprise.
