looking into having a seperate cab for my distortion sound

[0175westwood29]

I use a 6Pro as well, and bro, you need a bass specific overdrive pedal. Fulltone Bass Drive mosfet, EBS Valve Drive, or whatever, but all this extra rig stuff is a waste of time and money. All you need is the right dirt pedal, honest. Besides, the 6Pro is 4 ohms min., and your 610 is already 4 ohms, so you can't add anything to your rig.

yeh if i add it will have another amp to supply it.

i know its a lot of money to out loud when i could just get a dirt pedal, but there is something bout having the low end come thru clean then a distorted signal behind

my dirt comes from an metal muff, and ive tried the bass overdrive from boss but that wasn't for me, im gonna try a bass big muff but im still in love with the two rig setup

andy

 

[modulus763]

I use the dual rig set up and love it. I have two preamps; A Kern and a Read Purity. The Kern is used for my clean which is my top cab and the Read gives the dirt on the bottom cab. I use a Sansamp programmable DI or an EBS Valve Drive for my over drive/distortion (which one depends on the song). Most of the time I just push the gain on the Read and let it do the grind by itself. If I want an organ like sound I'll kick one of the OD units.

The entire rig is kinda small [subjective] due to the fact that I run Schroeder cabs (two 1210's) but still a lot to carry around. A good deal of cash tied up in that rig as well but worth it IMHO.

Oh yeah....I can clean it up and get that shimmer thang going as well.

 

[heath_r_91]

I used to actually run two rigs, one large one clean, and a smaller one very distorted. It sounded great.

Then I discovered the EHX Bass Big Muff. I get the exact same sounds in half the weight/price!

 

[0175westwood29]

I use the dual rig set up and love it. I have two preamps; A Kern and a Read Purity. The Kern is used for my clean which is my top cab and the Read gives the dirt on the bottom cab. I use a Sansamp programmable DI or an EBS Valve Drive for my over drive/distortion (which one depends on the song). Most of the time I just push the gain on the Read and let it do the grind by itself. If I want an organ like sound I'll kick one of the OD units.

The entire rig is kinda small [subjective] due to the fact that I run Schroeder cabs (two 1210's) but still a lot to carry around. A good deal of cash tied up in that rig as well but worth it IMHO.

Oh yeah....I can clean it up and get that shimmer thang going as well.

this is where im also lacking in know how!

im guessing you have a separte power amp feeding the to pre amps yes?

you have a foto of your rig all setup?

andy

 

[modulus763]

this is where im also lacking in know how!

im guessing you have a separte power amp feeding the to pre amps yes?

you have a foto of your rig all setup?

andy

Yes. I run my bass into an A/B/Y pedal and send that signal into the two preamps from the A/B outputs (in this case) on the pedal. The signals are sent to the two preamps then into my power amp which is run in stereo. Two cabs. Very simple. Here are the two preamps. I keep my power amp in a separate rack to make it a little easier to carry around.

Old pedal board but basically the same set up that I use now with a better five channel looper that has two outputs so I could eliminate the A/B/Y pedal:

Preamps and amp:

My rig when I had just the Kern (snicker) and used the Sans amp as a pre. The Read is a much better option vs. the Sansamp (Duh) IMHO:

 

[modulus763]

You might want to check out the SWR Interstellar Over Drive pre. That unit gives you the option to blend the clean and dirty signals within the pre and costs/weighs a lot less than two rigs in a box.

Just thin compared to the Kern. Oh yeah... everything is thin compared to the Kern. LMAO Even the Read. The SWR Pre is a great unit tho IMHO for those that want dirt and clean.

 

[IvanMike]

seperate drivers/amps for distortion can sound great, but they've never been worth the hassle to me.

Like other have said, the best compromise is to use some kind of blend to mix the distorted and clean signals together. IMO, any modern head or preamp without a side chain effects loop is missing the boat. That is THE most useful extra on a preamp that i can think of.

BTW, the "blend" on a sans amp just isn't. I hate the way my driver sounds in line from my bass to the amp, but i can make it work in the blended effects loop of my amp.

 

[0175westwood29]

You might want to check out the SWR Interstellar Over Drive pre. That unit gives you the option to blend the clean and dirty signals within the pre and costs/weighs a lot less than two rigs in a box.

Just thin compared to the Kern. Oh yeah... everything is thin compared to the Kern. LMAO Even the Read. The SWR Pre is a great unit tho IMHO for those that want dirt and clean.

this is where im a bit in the grey!?

blending? isnt that just changing your tone with the effect like a pedal? so you wnt get true clean?

was talking with the guitard in my band and he was like freaking out about it! really you could get distortion and a clean tone! it would sound like we have three guitars!

that rig looks sick! im thinking of trying to get everything in one rack but i cant see it working! i only have a 4 unit rack! and 2u of that are made up of my pro 6 atm!

ive found a ashdown mag 300 head and 210 cab. which would sit nice ontop of my 610 then put the mag head on my rack, im thinking that the 150/200w that would put out should be enough.

andy

 

[IvanMike]

this is where im a bit in the grey!?

blending? isnt that just changing your tone with the effect like a pedal? so you wnt get true clean?

was talking with the guitard in my band and he was like freaking out about it! really you could get distortion and a clean tone! it would sound like we have three guitars!

that rig looks sick! im thinking of trying to get everything in one rack but i cant see it working! i only have a 4 unit rack! and 2u of that are made up of my pro 6 atm!

ive found a ashdown mag 300 head and 210 cab. which would sit nice ontop of my 610 then put the mag head on my rack, im thinking that the 150/200w that would put out should be enough.

andy

no blending is when you mix the original dry signal with the signal that is effected like distorted, flanged, whatever. This works good for distortion for bass so the low end doesn't vanish. The side chain effects loop in a lot of amps acts as a mini two channel mixer.

It won't sound like another guitar. to get closer to that tone you need an 8 string or 12 string bass.

 

[0175westwood29]

no blending is when you mix the original dry signal with the signal that is effected like distorted, flanged, whatever. This works good for distortion for bass so the low end doesn't vanish. The side chain effects loop in a lot of amps acts as a mini two channel mixer.

It won't sound like another guitar. to get closer to that tone you need an 8 string or 12 string bass.

im still thinking it sounds like a pedal tho?

andy

 

[IvanMike]

im still thinking it sounds like a pedal tho?

andy

no............

amps have effects loops.
some have straight thru or in line effects loops where you cannot "blend" or mix the original signal with the signal from the effect.
others have side chain effects loops with a blend control which allows you to "blend" or mix the original dry signal with the output signal of the effect no matter what it is, (distortion, chorus, whatever).

 

[0175westwood29]

no............

amps have effects loops.
some have straight thru or in line effects loops where you cannot "blend" or mix the original signal with the signal from the effect.
others have side chain effects loops with a blend control which allows you to "blend" or mix the original dry signal with the output signal of the effect no matter what it is, (distortion, chorus, whatever).

ah i see! im with you now! so i can decide how much of the effect gets thru!

andy

 

[MrTAteMyBalls]

maybe try something like this???

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it's tube, and it allows you to keep your clean signal in tact, and blend in the effected signal to add the grit you want. seems like an easier solution, but maybe not as versatile as what you are wanting.

 

[0175westwood29]

maybe try something like this???

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it's tube, and it allows you to keep your clean signal in tact, and blend in the effected signal to add the grit you want. seems like an easier solution, but maybe not as versatile as what you are wanting.

yeh thats cool but im gonna be putting probs a flanger and a wah and stuff thru this other cab to.

 

[0175westwood29]

well i think im going down the route of getting an extra 210.

thinking of going with either a trace, eden or ashdown mini rig what one of these would handle effects best? dnt wanna be crapping out the speakers.

andy

 

[Gearhead17]

As long as you are not pushing an insane amount of volume through a 210, any brand should work just fine. The distortion tone you are seeking through the 210 is located between 200hz and 5khz. Make sure you turn off the tweeter - it will just add a lot of hiss to your signal.

You might be better with adding a guitar cab 212 instead of a bass cab to get more high end defintion and possibly more edge to your tone. Try a bunch of bass and guitar cabs and see what happens. Keep in mind when you play live, you should be giving the sound guy two signals. 1 mic tone of your distortion cab and a mic and/or direct tone of your clean bass tone. I hope the soundguys will work with you on that. Sending a direct distortion tone to the PA does not sound that great - it can work, but the mic tone of the distorted cab will sound MUCH better.

 

[0175westwood29]

As long as you are not pushing an insane amount of volume through a 210, any brand should work just fine. The distortion tone you are seeking through the 210 is located between 200hz and 5khz. Make sure you turn off the tweeter - it will just add a lot of hiss to your signal.

You might be better with adding a guitar cab 212 instead of a bass cab to get more high end defintion and possibly more edge to your tone. Try a bunch of bass and guitar cabs and see what happens. Keep in mind when you play live, you should be giving the sound guy two signals. 1 mic tone of your distortion cab and a mic and/or direct tone of your clean bass tone. I hope the soundguys will work with you on that. Sending a direct distortion tone to the PA does not sound that great - it can work, but the mic tone of the distorted cab will sound MUCH better.

id want to push enough volume for the effects to be heard? im guessing probs around 300w?

yeh ive thought bout that, would probs like you say get them to di my clean tone and mic my effects cab.

andy

 

[Gearhead17]

Think of it this way, bass players need more wattage to get the low end loud enough on stage. Since you are pushing somewhere around 500hz to 5khz only for the distortion tones - you don't need a massive number of watts. A simple 100 watts would do the job. Think of your guitar player's rig - 100 watts into a 412 and he is definitely heard. Guitar players are not pushing much below 100hz and the majority of their signal is louder well above 100hz.

 

[0175westwood29]

Think of it this way, bass players need more wattage to get the low end loud enough on stage. Since you are pushing somewhere around 500hz to 5khz only for the distortion tones - you don't need a massive number of watts. A simple 100 watts would do the job. Think of your guitar player's rig - 100 watts into a 412 and he is definitely heard. Guitar players are not pushing much below 100hz and the majority of their signal is louder well above 100hz.

cool thanks man!

ideally i'd have a mesa dual rectifier but there stupidly big and expensive!

 

[0175westwood29]

just a quick thought! how much does a gk 400rb put out at 8 ohms?

i remember trying a 700 out and it having really nice highs which would im guessing take well to only getting effects?

andy