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Loudest, gnarly'est, cab for $1000?

#125
I agree. BUT- if you're passing off your GB cab to anyone who will listen, as being the best choice for pro gigs (any gigs really), when you are a hobbyist who isn't playing pro gigs, your opinion can be questioned. Especially when you make very specific claims (like you can't get by with an 810 on your gigs so now you have a real cab).
Delivery is everything.
 
#126
It's a fallacy to assume that pro players know more about the gear they use.
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Completely true

The correlation between tech knowledge and musical (fame/acclaim) is zip.
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Completely true

I could give a damn about what gear you play or who or what you have played with or where.
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Couldn't agree more

So, all true and/or easy to agree with, but all of it ignores the aspect of exaggeration and lying and how they degrade the quality and value of discussion here.

You may not care where someone plays…again, in principle, I agree wholeheartedly, but wouldn't you care if someone were giving you advice or criticizing you based on authority that comes from something they don't really do; from experience that they don't really have?

To me, the main reasons for participating here are that you have something to offer (from your knowledge and experience) or that you have something to learn (from the knowledge and experience of others).

If someone is offering from vague exaggerations or outright lies about their knowledge or experience, what purpose does that serve? That's the real e-penis waving. If you're in the position of absorbing and learning from vague exaggerations and outright lies, what value does that hold? It can do some amount of harm. Misinforming people is good how?

If the "venues" someone happens to play are small inns, taverns, pubs and saloons…if their audiences are often 20 or 30 people (sometimes less)…that's all well and good, if they're out there getting enjoyment from playing music. That person is playing rooms that could be carried by most 15" combos. That's what I do sometimes; let's discuss that and the matters of gear that are involved. If, instead, that same person wants to run my experience down and inflate theirs; give advise that's misplaced, I don't see why people don't have a problem with that. I do.

There was a guy who frequented the Band Management sub-forum, and he was quite fond of inflating his experience and knowledge. He was also quite fond of using that "fake resume" in advising, debating and criticizing others. He was subsequently banned, and I think the all the puffing up he did had quite a bit to do with the situation he ended up in.

To me most unfortunate part of the episode was that there was nothing wrong with what he was really out there doing. He could have shared from his real experience.
 
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#127
slade said:
I agree. BUT- if you're passing off your GB cab to anyone who will listen, as being the best choice for pro gigs (any gigs really), when you are a hobbyist who isn't playing pro gigs, your opinion can be questioned. Especially when you make very specific claims (like you can't get by with an 810 on your gigs so now you have a real cab).
Delivery is everything.
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Which is also why I question the 'gnarliness' of the fEARfuls. They don't have inherent cone breakup if that's what you want. The ARE lower than an 810 if that's what you really want, and volume-wise the single driver 15 sits in a volume capacity that's between a 410 and a 610 realistically with enough wattage, so a double driver of the series can be louder than an 810.

Are there gigging pros out there with them? Yes. Mark Robertson of the Legendary Shack Shakers is one of them and he's got a heavy touring schedule. He probably won't comment due to the fact that he's also become an Authorized Builder. Guys like Ed Friedland also sing the praises. Pros. Pros play everything from great gear to really sh*tty stuff. Dudes who are non-gigging pros make those same claims all the time around here. Exactly what is a 'pro gig'? Any one you're paid for? Theaters or rooms where you have sizable PA support? Gigs on stages where 'name acts' often play? In the music business it's all pretty hazy.

The other night on my facebook, I posted a picture of my feet on a stage with the caption "Lemmy stood here". He did. So did John Entwistle and any pile of other famous bassists. So has every hack player in town. ;)

Also, just for fun, go back to the beginning of the thread and check out how the discourse unfolded. It's often surprising to see how things escalate.

I question pro players opinions just as much as a hobbyist. They're both suspect.
 
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#128
drpepper said:
Completely true



Completely true



Couldn't agree more

So, all true and/or easy to agree with, but all of it ignores the aspect of exaggeration and lying and how they degrade the quality and value of discussion here.

You may not care where someone plays…again, in principle, I agree wholeheartedly, but wouldn't you care if someone were giving you advice or criticizing you based on authority that comes from something they don't really do; from experience that they don't really have?

To me, the main reasons for participating here are that you have something to offer (from your knowledge and experience) or that you have something to learn (from the knowledge and experience of others).

If someone is offering from vague exaggerations or outright lies about their knowledge or experience, what purpose does that serve? That's the real e-penis waving. If you're in the position of absorbing and learning from vague exaggerations and outright lies, what value does that hold? It can do some amount of harm. Misinforming people is good how?

If the "venues" someone happens to play are small inns, taverns, pubs and saloons…if their audiences are often 20 or 30 people (sometimes less)…that's all well and good, if they're out there getting enjoyment from playing music. That person is playing rooms that could be carried by most 15" combos. That's what I do sometimes; let's discuss that and the matters of gear that are involved. If, instead, that same person wants to run my experience down and inflate theirs; give advise that's misplaced, I don't see why people don't have a problem with that. I do.

There was a guy who frequented the Band Management sub-forum, and he was quite fond of inflating his experience and knowledge. He was also quite fond of using that "fake resume" in advising, debating and criticizing others. He was subsequently banned, and I think the all the puffing up he did had quite a bit to do with the situation he ended up in.

To me most unfortunate part of the episode was that there was nothing wrong with what he was really out there doing. He could have shared from his real experience.
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all of this.....
 
#129
The ironic thing is, my recommendation in this thread wasn't a fEARful. ;)

Secondly, who is puffing up their resume?

CL400Peavey said:
We have already established in previous conversations that I am a no name player, playing no name locations, in a no name town, with a hack band, with hack bass chops. Cool?
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Also, please show me any place I have misled anyone on my playing experience? If anything, I have been more than forthcoming answering to these kinds of attacks.

CL400Peavey said:
So what am I doing now with music? Who am I playing/recording with? With friends, for funsies, and I don't mind making some spare spending cash that never goes on the books. I don't know how you would rate me as a player. Somewhere between a ham-fisted rock bassist, and a wannabe funk player. I have recorded with a few friends for fun projects, but it has never been my concentration nor has it been monetarily fruitful. I wouldn't want that kind of playing to be my concentration. It makes music feel like work, and I do enough of that at my real job. My thrill/joy/happy place come from playing live. My solid projects right now is a cover band, and an psychedelic/stoner rock project. I have no trouble picking up sit in gigs, jazz, country, pop, whatever comes along.

So who have I played with? no one relevant. What are my music accolades? Nothing relevant. How proficient am I at playing bass? I can read music, feel comfortable sitting with anyone on any level, even if it is just to play root notes while they play circles around the building. If your goal was to turn this inquiry in to a, "That guy hasn't done spit in music that I find relevant, hur hur hur." then I will agree with you. If you tack on a, "I dont value his opinion on gear because he hasn't played with anyone I recognize, hur hur." I would also agree with you. You should not be vetting gear by who plays it, or what name dropping is associated with it. So let me be the first to throw this out there: I am an average player, who plays average gigs, spends way to much time on TB, and has zero experience that is relevant to anyone ever.
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#132
BurningSkies said:
So let's get this back on track. The real question that never gets answered in all my time on TB: is @inri222 really Darryl Jenifer.
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Sorry but I'm not Daryl, but I do play bass in various hardcore/punk bands & Bad Brains are one of my favorite bands. Living in NYC and seeing them play in the 80's along with the Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front and others is what got me into that music. Also, I couldn't carry one SVT rig up my basement steps imagine 2.

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The Regulator said:
Sorry but I'm not Daryl, but I do play bass in various hardcore/punk bands & Bad Brains are one of my favorite bands. Living in NYC and seeing them play in the 80's along with the Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front and others is what got me into that music. Also, I couldn't carry one SVT rig up my basement steps imagine 2.
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Oh, you dream crusher. Fun fact for you...I played a bill with the Cromags once. I was in a hardcore band for a bit... I've done a bit of everything.
 
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#137
DukeLeJeune said:
Very interesting curve. Is that an Ampeg 810? I assume it has a (well-integrated) tweeter, whatever it is.
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That curve from BFMs's site is wrong. No Ampeg goes that high. Here is the Ampeg SVT-810E 'Fridge specs right from the Ampeg site:

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LF Drivers: 8 x 10”
Voice Coil: 2”
Magnet Weight (each): 30 oz
RMS Power Handling: 2 x 400-Watts (Stereo)
RMS Power Handling: 800-Watts (Mono)
Frequency Response (-3dB): 58Hz-5kHz
Usable Low Frequency (-10dB): 40Hz
Nominal Impedance: 2 x 8-Ohms (Stereo)
Nominal Impedance: 4-Ohms (Mono)
Sensitivity: 100dB
Maximum SPL: 130dB
Dimensions (W x H x D inches): 26 x 48 x 16
Shipping Weight: 165 Pounds
Handling Weight: 140 Pounds
 
#138
Two vertical rows of drivers whether they be in a bass cab or in a guitar cab are so intrenched in the zeitgeist, it doesn't matter that they beam. Doesn't matter that as the bassist walks left and right in front of them that they too hear it comb filter. Doesn't matter that they weigh a ton. Those designs are here to stay. Just like the US is stuck with the U.S. Customary System even though the Metric System is superior.
 
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#139
BurningSkies said:
Are there gigging pros out there with them? Yes. Mark Robertson of the Legendary Shack Shakers is one of them and he's got a heavy touring schedule. He probably won't comment due to the fact that he's also become an Authorized Builder. Guys like Ed Friedland also sing the praises. Pros. Pros play everything from great gear to really sh*tty stuff. Dudes who are non-gigging pros make those same claims all the time around here. Exactly what is a 'pro gig'? Any one you're paid for? Theaters or rooms where you have sizable PA support? Gigs on stages where 'name acts' often play? In the music business it's all pretty hazy.
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As a matter of fact, I'd be willing to bet that a majority of "pros" who use greenboy cabs are upright players. That's where those cabs really shine IMO. Aside from people like yourself with really specific needs, I think the cost/benefit ratio for sideways bass isn't really that great. I'm semipro, hoping to be full sometime soon, and I've got an F115 on order, because I've seen what they can do for loud upright.
 
#140
Regarding touring pros and Greenboy cabs: In all of bassdom, there are simply more amateurs than pros, so all things being equal, more amateurs will have them. Add to that is the supply chain. These are custom built to order. Can't just pop into a store and hear a bunch. The ABs aren't building 500 of them and selling them to dealers so they can always be on-hand coast to coast. Only way to hear them is to either know someone, hear someone playing, or go to a trade show, meet 'n greet, GTG or similar. Definitely makes it harder for a busy touring pro to hear and/or get one.
 

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