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Low Down Sound Club, Part Four
- Thread starter Chef
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svtb15
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- Mar 22, 2004
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- I play it all. Whatever works for the gig. Q+
That looks like a canon.... Nice.. Does it go deep? and does the 6" keep up with the 15 enough to be articulate?
3015LF ??
3015LF ??
and the old one:
Hey guys, I'm thinking about taking the plunge into LDS territory...spoke to Don today (nice guy btw, very informative convo) and we decided the best option for my preferences would probably be either:
1) 12" + 2x10" + tweet
or
2) 15" + 10" + tweet
Anybody around here ever played through/own an LDS with these specs? If so, how would you describe its tone (or how would you compare it to other 3 way designs)?
1) 12" + 2x10" + tweet
or
2) 15" + 10" + tweet
Anybody around here ever played through/own an LDS with these specs? If so, how would you describe its tone (or how would you compare it to other 3 way designs)?
Well I play mostly R&B/Gospel, Reggae and smooth jazz, but get called to play other styles as well (Pop/Rock, Salsa)...so I'm looking for really thick low end and present (but not harsh) mids and highs...not TOO modern sounding, but closer to that tone than a vintage sound. I originally asked about a 15/6/1 and he was saying that design lends itself to a more modern/hifi tone whereas the two options I listed above are a little less modern but not quite in the realm of old school ampeg type tone, which sounds like what I'm looking for. Also, I'm looking to keep it as light as possible (aren't we all lol)
Oh yea and my main bass is a Sadowsky PJ 5 with Nickels going through a SS Head (GB ShuttleMax 12). Also looking to get the cab in a 4 ohm option since that head contains 2 poweramps (thinking of adding a 15 sub to it later on).
I think you'll find that a 3-way 12 or 15/6 or /8 is going to be better for versatility sake, because you'll be able to EQ it exactly how you want, versus a traditional cab with more baked-in tone. With a more modern or hi-fi 3-way, you could stick a VT Bass or something in the mix for the woolier, old school, Ampeg-y sound.
But, as I said, Don's the expert, and will build something that probably works for you.
But, as I said, Don's the expert, and will build something that probably works for you.
Don will also build whatever you want.
So, be careful.
So you want to end up with 115, and a 12 with two 10's......
There are reasons this doesn't exist
So, be careful.
So you want to end up with 115, and a 12 with two 10's......
There are reasons this doesn't exist
+1
A single 15/6 or 12/12/6 or even 10/10/6 properly crossed over with LF drivers makes a lot more sense IMHO
I've been thinking about that point as well (and I do have a VT Bass and a Barber Linden EQ that together cop the Ampeg vibe pretty well) so I may go with the 15/6 option...just seeking opinions on the new options suggested
In all fairness to Don, I forgot to mention that I was thinking about a 15 sub later on, so his suggestions may have changed if he knew.
Thing is, I don't live in a place where checking out cabs like these or going to the many TB gatherings you guys have is an option (nor do I have any cab building/designing experience) so I have to do a lot based on word of mouth, thus, I don't know exactly WHY that doesn't work...so I thank you guys for your opinions, they have steered me in the right direction several times.
So for the record, please explain why it doesn't work (for myself and all the future noobs
)
If you don't want "the hifi purity" of the LF series drivers, and prefer "a little of the standard paper cone driven hard grit,"
you might consider a cab with two 3012HO's; a pair of 6" mid drivers, and whatever sort of horn you like; if you like horns.
This is, more or less, what the very fine Baer ML112's do.
A hodge-podge of three different sort of "main drivers" is just a bad idea due to driver alignment, phase cancellation, etc.
you might consider a cab with two 3012HO's; a pair of 6" mid drivers, and whatever sort of horn you like; if you like horns.
This is, more or less, what the very fine Baer ML112's do.
A hodge-podge of three different sort of "main drivers" is just a bad idea due to driver alignment, phase cancellation, etc.
+1 to lomo's mention of an LDS 15/6 cab. I bought his when he downsized his rig, and it's got plenty of whomp on the bottom and nice clarity in the upper mids.
+1 also to Chef's mention of the Baer ML112s. I've owned a pair of these since they first were in production. Not quite so much whomp to the deep lows and a more upper mid-forward character.
Both have served me well, and both IMHO do old-school with a modern clarity. As Chef commented, they both have a nice paper-cone flavor.
+1 also to Chef's mention of the Baer ML112s. I've owned a pair of these since they first were in production. Not quite so much whomp to the deep lows and a more upper mid-forward character.
Both have served me well, and both IMHO do old-school with a modern clarity. As Chef commented, they both have a nice paper-cone flavor.
I very much disagree that the fEARFul based stuff; or anything loaded with LF series drivers, have "standard paper cone flavor."
I have them (12/6/1+12 sub, and 15/6/1); so, I have direct experience with that.
If the feeling of standard drivers being pushed into a little grit is your thing, they're not for you.
I have them (12/6/1+12 sub, and 15/6/1); so, I have direct experience with that.
If the feeling of standard drivers being pushed into a little grit is your thing, they're not for you.
I guess my follow up question to you is: can they (fearful spec) be made to sound more traditional if needed through tube emulation/distortion/drive FX...or that's not possible due to the midrange being handled by a drastically smaller speaker (so the "grit" would take on a different tone)?
Tone isnt determined by speaker size.
IME a fEARful will end up sounding like what you feed it. If your amp produces the sound you want, that is what you will hear. If you are looking for coloration from the cab, that you can not get from the amp, then you wont find it using that cab.
Thanks...I guess in my head I always pictured when people describe cabs (or basses for that matter) as "hifi" I tend to think of bright and clear but kinda shrill or piercing (based on examples I've heard through records, videos or firsthand observation) but I guess that could all be the user's use of EQ/playing style as well. Your description works for me a lil better.
Definitely will stick with the 15/6/1 or similar option.
