Of course. It must be that. How could I have forgotten? The 50 billion a year spent on illegal drugs in the US comes from welfare recipients. That's like $25000 per household per year.
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Mandantory Drug Tests
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Of course. It must be that. How could I have forgotten? The 50 billion a year spent on illegal drugs in the US comes from welfare recipients. That's like $25000 per household per year.
You don't have to believe it if you don't want to. I posted that because Ive witnessed it, from various people. Did I say that all welfare recipients do? I didnt, but some can and will.
Okay, let's say 1 in 10 welfare recipients do. That's $250000 per household per year.
Am I getting closer to the truth?
Am I getting closer to the truth?
Personally I'm for it, but I like the volunteering for the community idea better. Here's why. Drug tests are expensive, involve lab work and the handling of bodily fluids, etc, all of which have a high price tag for something that's easily fudged and cheated. Secondly, in california marijuana is more or less classified as medicine. So you can't really test for a substance like marijuana without getting into the touchy area of invading people's right to privacy regarding medical records, including the medicines they take. EVEN if they are abusing the drugs (it doesn't have to be marijuana), if the person has a prescription then you're violating their right to privacy. Now I'm all for testing for drugs like crack, meth, heroine, and other illegal and highly addictive substances, but those are easily faked and also they only remain in a person's system for a couple of days. So while the notion of testing these people for drugs is a good one, I don't think it's a very effective way of detecting fraud and abuse.
+1 to all of this.
I'm also wondering how many people advocating drug testing for assistance have ever had a problem with addiction themselves. Do you really think that meth, crack, and heroin users intended to destroy their lives once they get past the experimentation stage to hardcore addiction? These people need help; not for society to turn our backs on them.
Community service is expensive and easily fudged too. You have to pay somebody to administer the program: Either a government bureaucracy or private enterprise. If it gets outsourced to the private sector, it will attract countless scam artists who will simply pocket the administrative costs.
Whenever you try to get tough with people by making them jump through arbitrary hoops, it's always a scam magnet. Let's make teachers get continuing education in order to maintain their licenses. Okay, in Illinois, teachers were getting credit for studying math by spending a day at a casino, and a business was collecting a fee from the state. Let's make welfare recipients prove that they are employed. Okay, in Wisconsin, that one was scammed by setting up fake day care centers and collecting fees from the state.
Why do we trust the government to manage the lives of poor people, but not to manage the health care system?
Automatic drug testing for ALL on a monthly basis sound ridiculous? So does drug testing for people receiving housing assistance, food stamps or State medical assistance programs.
Community service? How about paid employment or paid training to get paid employment? I'm sure there are plenty of groups, including private companies, that would love access to mandated free labor pools, but come on guys. I don't want to use the "S" word, but that's where the free labor things ends up going.
Times are very tough right now, but eventually, they will improve. Lets not punish, bash or denigrate the hardest hit from this bad economic situation. They already are going through enough sh1t as it is. Don't look to make things even harder. Peace!
PS: "I won't pee in a cup for you, but if you hold out your hands and cup them I'll pee there for you. Test that!"
Community service? How about paid employment or paid training to get paid employment? I'm sure there are plenty of groups, including private companies, that would love access to mandated free labor pools, but come on guys. I don't want to use the "S" word, but that's where the free labor things ends up going.
Times are very tough right now, but eventually, they will improve. Lets not punish, bash or denigrate the hardest hit from this bad economic situation. They already are going through enough sh1t as it is. Don't look to make things even harder. Peace!
PS: "I won't pee in a cup for you, but if you hold out your hands and cup them I'll pee there for you. Test that!"
Automatic drug testing for ALL on a monthly basis sound ridiculous? So does drug testing for people receiving housing assistance, food stamps or State medical assistance programs.
Community service? How about paid employment or paid training to get paid employment? I'm sure there are plenty of groups, including private companies, that would love access to mandated free labor pools, but come on guys. I don't want to use the "S" word, but that's where the free labor things ends up going.
Times are very tough right now, but eventually, they will improve. Lets not punish, bash or denigrate the hardest hit from this bad economic situation. They already are going through enough sh1t as it is. Don't look to make things even harder. Peace!
PS: "I won't pee in a cup for you, but if you hold out your hands and cup them I'll pee there for you. Test that!"
+1 Yeah. I like this better.
Boy, do I wish I made anything close to the hourly average!
The average age is about 36...
From the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
Edit: Were you referring to wage or the average "age" of American workers?
Hrm, I'd seen different numbers that put it at just under $20/hr, but that's still fairly close.
(I was pointing out the average age to Bassman316 to say that he may be earning below the national average, but he's also at an earlier point in his career than average as well).
im fine with that. the 10 co-workers i have left will be my kind of people. at least now i dont have to listen to everyone talk about how high they got yesterday
as a young person of the world, from what i can tell, its damn near everyone. young people are stupid. more stupid than any other kind of people. and i havent met that many people on financial aid with jobs.
its certainly not the majority. but ive certainly got it out for i imagine is about the 10% that do. the way i see it, at least 10% of people between the ages of 12 and 35 are on drugs, and they dont deserve a bit of help from anyone as a consequence.
think of the people that lie to GET such benefits in the first place. i feel like if we put enough stipulations on who gets MY tax dollars, fewer will be taken out. id gladly fork over money for drug testing to ensure that those getting the rest of my money are worthy. in time, im certain that good will be done.
those who fail the test get no money for some predetermined amount of time until they can re-apply. we can put those who fail on trial.
those that we catch WITH drugs... well my ideas for what to do with them is unconstitutional, but i think we need much greater consequences. if it were up to me, we'd be going at them southest asian style.
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