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MOJO!! Myth, or MAGIC?

Not being sure of the best place to put this, I put it here as I believe it mostly affects basses themselves.

So I've noticed (gee I'm observant :D ) that some people here believe a bass is a tool, nothing more, and while they may have their favorites or prefrences, they form no serious attachment to their instruments. Others swear by their (usually) vintage instruments, citing the tone, playability, etc. to be nigh unto magical. I've also seen some people scoff at 'mojo', saying that no instrument posses the power to magically channel bass greats of the past.

I don't want to start an argument, rather, just see what people define as 'mojo', and the extent to which they believe.

As for me, I believe that, while an innanimate object made of wood and metal, instruments develop 'souls' as well, kindof. I think this soul, this 'mojo' really originates from the player, but it's when something about that particular instrument, the feel, the sound, the look (espescially), even the knowledge that you are playing an instrument older than yourself, or seeing the scars of a long life and sympathizing with the abuse it may have recieved at the hands of others, strikes something in you, resonates with some part of what's inside, and helps bring that out. It brings out the emotion, inspiration, and soothes and uplifts. For me, when I look at, hold, and play my cheap, (monetarily) worthless, and battered old Hondo P bass, I feel the scars from the ripped out frets, the bandaging of the filling in said frets, I feel the new life of the new tuners, new pots and knobs, and I remember a 15 yr old, too poor to even afford strings, let alone the work this pos bass that was given to me needed to be playable, working with a soldering iron to try and repair the fubar'd wiring, tuning with a leatherman because two keys were missing, and trying to rig a practice amp from the remains of an old classroom record player, hoping to utilize the tube amp. Never worked, but hey, I joined the army, and payed to have the bass fixed. It's still got some work yet, mostly cosmetic in nature, but I feel a pride in the fact that, while my hands didn't actually fix it, I accomplished my goal of rescuing this much abused, unloved and mistreated bass. BTW- IMHO, it sounds absolutely amazing, if I can figure out how to rig my computer to record, I will try to post soundclips.
My sister swears her new Dean edge 5 has more 'mojo' than my hondo (she's wrong) but for her- it does.

Anyway, to sum up, I believe "MOJO" comes from the player, deep withing, and it's only 'unlocked' by the instrument. This is why I would never 'relic' a bass- too much like abuse, and, imo, who wants fake mojo? But whatever floats your boat. To those of you who have never felt this way, or think I'm nuts (well, that's prolly true) then cool. To each their own. But honestly, I think you are missing out. Or maybe you just haven't found the one that does it yet. Who knows. Yeah, a bass is just some wood and metal parts put together, some with much more skill and attention to details as others, but then, the same can be said about the chair I'm sitting in. And I have to say, the chair has never (at least not yet) inspired me to keep practicing that one excercise over and over, till I look at the clock and realize it's been two hours more than what I had planned on practicing.

Sorry it's so long, but if you made it this far, you deserve a pat on the back!

P.S. I think my poor Hondo is likely to become the most hated instrument on these forums, as often as I talk about it. :hiding:
 
Mojo is something else for me. When I see a bass whose paint is chipped away, dings in the finish filled in with ball point, etc etc I see a bass someone played with and enjoyed themselves.

I'm less concerned if so and so played this on it or its gig stories, but more in the fact that it was a well used and reliable tool and I feel inspired to keep up with the tradition.
 
Interest thread! For me ... I guess I'm not a mojo person. I'm not a "vintage is better" person. When I see an old very early Fender bass or guitar totally beat up on the wall of a guitar store with multi thousand dollar price tag on it I have to laugh. This is an instrument that cost $125.00 40 or 50 years ago ... today it's unplayable and they want the price of a new Alembic for it. AND the killer is SOMEONE will buy it!!! I believe the MOJO is in the musician, not the instrument ... period. IF ... IF an instrument inspires you to play with heart ... to play with your inner MOJO then that's the right instrument for you. But YOU have the MOJO in you ... not the instrument. If I bought Jaco's actual Jazz bass it would be a collector's item and definitely worth a lot of money to a collector ... but I'm NOT going to play like Jaco if i had his actual jazz bass. Jaco had the MOJO ... his bass was just his tool. If I had his bass I'd take a lot of photos, let my bass player friends see and play it ... just because ... and sell it for a ton of money and buy a brand new Alembic Series II 6 string bass! :-)

Of course ... this is just my personal opinion. And with my opinion and $1.00 I could buy a cup of coffee! :-)
Peace!
Ray
 

IMHO mojo is more about appearance - what the bass player believes he looks like when he plays it, what he believes or makes himself believe the audience perceives him as - if he has an old beat-to-hell bass with a Fender logo on it, or a Steinberger in the 80s, or a Sadowsky nowadays, he believes the audience will grant him some credibility. Believing that may inspire his playing, or help him enjoy the experience more, etc. so I'm not judging people who might buy a instrument because of it's perceived mojo, this is why we all make our buying decisions after all. It's not *just* about the sound the bass makes, we also have to enjoy playing it.

Vintage is a different ball of wax altogether. For some, vintage means mojo, for others, they really just prefer the way the old Fenders play and sound. There *is* a difference after all.

Some people also find their mojo in new relics. It's definitely not my bag, but whatever turns your crank.

Some people find their mojo in old B-T-S Silvertones, Harmony's or like you, Hondo's. Again, not my bag, but whatever.

Some people find their mojo in new shiny things - this may not be the fad today, but it will be again.

Some people get it from exotic woods - again, not my bag, but they are pretty to look at.

I kinda like the vintage Fender thing myself, but I don't own one.
 
I agree, mojo comes from the player, not the instrument itself. But a bass that possesses mojo is one that is somewhat aged, has obviously been played with heart and soul by one or many players past, and has the quality keeps it ticking.

When I feel that in a bass, it brings out the mojo.
 
For me MOJO is the communication between the instrument and the player. The source of that communication can come from several places, the experience of the player, the things that have happen to and with the bass, a long history between the player and the bass, or the look or feel of the instrument.

I do believe there is some kind of 'soul' that each instrument has, new or old. I love the look of Rickenbackers, but the first one I had just didn't do it for me, so I sold it. I now have a '76 Ric, some color as the other, but we get along just fine and the bass is a great joy. I play a Wishbass (ordered new) every weekend, the sound is what is needed for the band I'm in. I love it too. I could do well with any competent bass, but when that communication is present, it makes the moment.
 
I don't think mojo is a look. A look can be duplicated so mojo definately has to go far beyond that. Also I don't think an instrument has to look like it's been dragged behind a car to have mojo. Mojo is more of an insiration or vibe you get from a particular thing like a specific instrument that seems to channel "your" creativity better than any other.
 
Well I do think "mojo" is real, but I don't think it's transferable, or at least I've never been able to experience it. I think real "mojo" is the hours, day, months, years you've worn into the instrument with your hands and of course the intangables of the experiences you've shared using that instrument. I don't think you can buy someone elses "mojo". I have a '73 4001 like that. She's retired now and for me my other basses are much more of what I like and need, but I just haven't been able to get rid of the Ric
 
When a bass is beat up it has probably has been in front of thousands of people and used on lots of gigs by a relatively "pro" player... this tell me is the bass was good enough for this "pro" to play for all these years to put the wear on it... so it must be a bloody good bass someone to use it for so long.. hence a beat up bass was a well loved bass was a bass worth loving hence "mojo".
 
I'm one of those "a-bass-is-a-tool" guys, first and foremost. That doesn't mean that I don't love my basses ... I do, and I wouldn't own an instrument that I didn't love. But my basses are definitely tools that I need to make music, to get me paid.

I do have two basses that would fall into the mojo category. One is an '86 Fender MIJ that has some serious battle scars, and everyone of those dings and wear spots were put there by me. The other one is a '68 Goya J-knockoff that I bought used. It has also been well played and I have left it in its original condition, bruises and all, because it sounds and plays great :D

But no doubt about it, all of these basses are tools to me. I'm blessed that they are beautiful instruments, but tools none the less .... :cool:
 
Anything we own and use can have mojo: cars, clothes, tools. When I first dented a car my girlfiend said it gave it "character": she was trying to cheer me up and mostly we don't value battered old cars like we value our battered old instruments because what we use cars for isn't so creative and personal. I don't think mojo is transferable. I'm attached to my main bass because I've lived with it a lot and the wear and dings on it are my own. It would be a thrill to own a classic old bass but it wouldn't be really mine until I'd played it a while and gigged with it. The pleasure a collector gets is different, and so it the pleasure of someone who batters a new bass to make it look old: as it happens I wouldn't do that, but any mojo it had would be separate from the "relic" work on its surface.
 
To me it doesnt matter at all if people think its a myth or its true, or WHAT is true for that matter. If thinking there is mojo in your bass and the result is you playing with all your heart then the has mojo for you (which doesnt mean it would for me) as far as I'm concerned, and if you're the one who has the mojo and the bass is your tool, then that works too.

Personally, I believe in mojo. I have two main basses, my Conklin Rocco Prestia sig and my 20yrs old Godin. Well, I dont know if its mojo or something else, but its when I'm playing the Godin that I find things I would usually never think of, and it feels like mojo as far as Im concerned.
 
I don't think mojo is a look. A look can be duplicated so mojo definately has to go far beyond that. Also I don't think an instrument has to look like it's been dragged behind a car to have mojo. Mojo is more of an insiration or vibe you get from a particular thing like a specific instrument that seems to channel "your" creativity better than any other.

:cool:
+1
It's an energy thing.
The bass just has it.
Unexplained?
 
Although "Mojo" hs different definitions to people, there IS scientific proof that an older instrument will sound better than a new one, BUT only if it has been played on for many years.

Little by little, all the vibrations that go through the instrument shape the wood so that after many thousands or millions of vibrations, the wood will adopt very pleasing normal modes. This is why an old Strativarius violin is so "special."

There are actually 2 students at my university that have created a machine that speeds up this process...I don't know if it's been patented or not.
 
Personally, I tend to see "mojo" as that je ne sais qoui feeling of not exactly being able to put your finger on it, but you know that there's something to it.

Sometimes, the parts just all come together and a great instrument has been created that has, somehow, become "more than the sum of its parts." Sometimes, no matter who plays the instrument it just sings. Granted, any bass that Jaco, Marcus, Haslip, etc. play, it will in the greatest part sound like them because of their personal tone preferences and fingerprint on the bass. But if that were always the case, then everyone would only need to own one bass. Okay, maybe two.

Perhaps that's why the endless discussions of tonewoods, parts basses, luthiers, ad nauseum are so interminable. I for one am not an authority on any of those subjects.


...but that's just my take on it.