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Musicians Relief Fund........two years and counting

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#202
Whoever the "one-armed man" is that BMW is "respectfully" not bringing down with him, it is actually in everyone's best interest for the facts to be laid forth. If anyone is "brought down" it should only be due to verifiable facts, not due to mystery and subterfuge. If the "one-armed man" is really to blame, then isn't in society's best interest that he stand for his actions?
 
#203
It seems to me the only people BigMikeW has any motive for this "respectful" protecting would either be the original intended recipient of the funds jeffbass or the person who was to administer the funds tombowlus, or am I missing something here?

I think from the way that we've all seen Tombowlus act in this thread, his actions are not those of someone with a guilty conscience. That only leaves jeffbass, why would BigMikeW have cause to protect him?

If BigMikeW has something to insinuate about someone, he should be man enough to do it in person. Getting one of his mates to do it as a proxy is so weak.
 
#205
MikeBass said:
Your right, and I feel it's in bad taste for those not even remotely involved to come in here and attack him.
Oh, wait.......that's right this is the internet.......
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JuniorK, Thor and others donated. They are directly involved in it. BMW, spammed the boards with pleas for donations so it indirectly involved many TBers.

Honestly, I don't think that this is an attack, as much as it's just a question of "what's up?" Accountability is crucial to any community whether it's a military unit, street gang, neighborhood or a family. If accountability is seen as an attack, it's not those who are calling for accountability who have the issue. As you say, this is the internet. We don't always know whose on the other side of the keyboard. People shouldn't be surprised or offended if accountability is asked for, especially on the internet.

I don't think JuniorK is saying defending BMW is in bad taste, as much as it is bad taste to let your friends defend you and take the heat for your actions.

As far as I can tell, and please correct me if I'm wrong here, but I don't think ANYONE defended his behavior/actions in this.

Yes, BMW is a friend of mine.
Yes, I think he had great intentions.
Yes, I think/feel that it is WAYYYYY out of his personality/person to try to willfully steal from any one.

I'm not sure if you think that is defending him.
I didn't in this case.
How he went about it is flat out wrong IMO.
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I don't think you're defending him, as much as trying to explain what you know and experienced. People shouldn't misconstrue this either.

Since we're talking about bad taste, has anyone shot a PM to him prior to starting this thread?????
Or did they just fire up the ol' PC and type away expecting everything to be all civil and stuff????
Hell, ask an opinion about SX vs. Sadowsky and it will get just about as heated in a thread like that as it is here!

Drop in an emotional, let alone some financial variables, and yeah, it's gonna be ugly.
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Yes, people have shot him PMs. In earlier threads, JuniorK stated that he shot Mike a couple of PMs and got no response. JeffBass28 said he got no response either. And that was sometime last year. People have tried to take care of this offline. Now it's two years later, and it's not surprising that people are upset by the lack of response and take it public.

One of the reasons for this thread is to get a tally of amounts donated to compare to what has been stated to be received so to give BMW the benefit of the doubt. If the numbers match up, then we're all cool regardless of BMWs cooperation. But, they aren't lining up and there is no explanation, and that's why people are pissed off. People donated hundreds of dollars that could have been used for their families or a tank of gas, and the least they could get out of it is knowing that some good came out of their sacrifice.

You want to know the truth???
There is a MAJOR component to this whole thing that, and sit down for this, Mike has RESPECTFULLY left off these boards because it would be VERY damaging to someone.

So, in that regard, yeah he 'effed up royal in this.
But I still didn't see it coming and still think there is more to this than we know.

In bad taste..........
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Well people can only go based on what they know, and this mystery factor is unknown to them. So until this is known, people can only make judgements based on the evidence presented. And even if the mystery factor is presented, it still may not explain it. I can't say, because I don't know what it is. And like you said, this is the internet, and it would take a HUGE leap of faith to give carte blanche trust to a guy who makes claims that don't add up, won't be accountable, and relies on a mystery factor to absolve him. It's nothing against BMW, but that's just a prudent way to act regardless of a member's postcount, join date, or avatar.

I donated to your bass, and I know where the money went, and that it made a positive effect in your life. I'm very cool with that. I donated to another cause of BMWs, and I knew where the money went and checked with the guy and know that was received and very much appreciated. I'm cool with that. But this incident, where I don't know where the money went, and there is no accountability, I'm not cool with.
 
#206
Kelly Lee said:
Where is the respect for all the TB members that donated? :eyebrow:

Not to be a jerk to you Mike but you have chosen where you stand on the issue. You have knowledge, apparently, of things that the TB community should be made aware of regarding the donated funds yet you choose not to share it. That says a lot IMO.
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Where I stand on this issue is the same as pretty much everyone else here.
I pretty P.O'd with this whole thing.
And at BMW for how he handled it.
Flat out, thats the bottom line.

You have a PM......
 
#207
I'm going to stay out of this because I have a feeling that I would only make things worse.

If I have something to update with I will (right now I don't have squat!)

I was just giving my impressions of a guy I know.
Thats all.

I'll chat about it via PM with no issue.....
 
#208
MikeBass, I did not PM him prior to starting this thread. Why would I? I've done it numerous times in the past only to be ignored or given a response with a bunch of excuses.

jive, exactly......i'm no so much saying that it's lame on his friends part but it's lame of BigMike to have his friends defending his integrity when he acts like he could care less.

I'm not sure who or what this other "mystery person" is about but if it has anything to do with where the money went I think BigMike or anyone else who knows should be speaking up. If he is wrongfully taking the heat he should speak up. Again I think it's in bad taste and disrespectful to us donors to even bring this up if you aren't going to fully disclose what this info is and how it relates to the big picture.

I'm not in this do drag BigMike's name or anyone else's through the mud. I'm pressing this issue because I want detailed answers of where all the money that was donated went to and why this charity never got off the ground.

All of us donors had faith in BigMike and trusted him with our hardearned cash. He might as well be taking money from old ladies for fake magazine subscriptions, it's the same thing......good intentions mean nothing if you don't follow through. Good intentions don't get my money back or get it to someone who really needs it. He thinks his family is down on hard times, yet he doesn't think about all that money that could be helping someone that has fallen on harder times than himself. His "intentions" mean nothing to me if he refuses to fess up and apologize and fix this VERY ugly situation.
 
#210
Juniorkimbrough said:
BigMike has said what he had to say, he continues to downright refuse to disclose any information about any of the money and where it has gone. That's his choice, not mine. I think that his defensive attitude and unwillingness to help speaks volumes.

Instead of owning up to his mistake and being helpful, he has denied any wrong doing and still continues to give excuses instead of cutting the B.S. and giving us some facts.

He has mislead many TB'ers, lied to them, and continues to duck and dodge and real answers. That IMO is a dishonest person any way you dish it out, an honest person would own up to their mistake and apologize. But BigMike is above apologizing to people he has lied to or used thier name (jeff) on this board. We are talking about people's hard earned money that he is playing "games" with yet he still does not feel the need to respond with anything other than excuses and lies.

You may not call it theft but when someone takes my money and says it will be used for "xxxx charity" and when I ask for proof it was used for "xxxx charity" they basically tell me to screw off, then the charity never happens and the money I donated is missing.........that my friend in stealing, whether or not he kept the money, it was his duty to see that it went towards what it was supposed to....starting this charity and getting the ball rolling.....he dropped the ball and lost my money......

p.s. I wonder if the companies he endorses know that he is dragging their name through the mud also by his association with them.
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well, i dont think this could have been said any better.
 
#211
davetakis said:
plus a billion to that!!!!! i would like to see more frequent updates to the GRACE AND HER BASS THREAD THOUGH.
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There've been pics of Grace holding/playing the bass- was some other update needed? I thought that was a great showing of how TalkBass can be a wonderful place for charitable outreach, along with the Brubaker fire.
 
#213
Toasted said:
It seems to me the only people BigMikeW has any motive for this "respectful" protecting would either be the original intended recipient of the funds jeffbass or the person who was to administer the funds tombowlus, or am I missing something here?

I think from the way that we've all seen Tombowlus act in this thread, his actions are not those of someone with a guilty conscience. That only leaves jeffbass, why would BigMikeW have cause to protect him?

If BigMikeW has something to insinuate about someone, he should be man enough to do it in person. Getting one of his mates to do it as a proxy is so weak.
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:eek: I never thought of that. If there is even a remote
possibility that is the case, I would be adamantly
opposed to any disbursment to anything other than a legit charity.

jive1 said:
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One of the reasons for this thread is to get a tally of amounts donated to compare to what has been stated to be received so to give BMW the benefit of the doubt. If the numbers match up, then we're all cool regardless of BMWs cooperation. But, they aren't lining up and there is no explanation, and that's why people are pissed off. People donated hundreds of dollars that could have been used for their families or a tank of gas, and the least they could get out of it is knowing that some good came out of their sacrifice.
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I just received a PM from a TB'er who has not until now disclosed
he made a $400 donation. He does not wish to post
his name. I find him credible based on my experience here.
Junior is in for 4, I'm at 200, and we have Bob Lee and Turock
at 20 each. That is 1040.00 right there for that jeffbass
solicitation. I am sure the 20 shots are much higher but
people don't want to get in the fray. Can't say as that I
blame them.

Well people can only go based on what they know, and this mystery factor is unknown to them. So until this is known, people can only make judgements based on the evidence presented. And even if the mystery factor is presented, it still may not explain it. I can't say, because I don't know what it is. And like you said, this is the internet, and it would take a HUGE leap of faith to give carte blanche trust to a guy who makes claims that don't add up, won't be accountable, and relies on a mystery factor to absolve him. It's nothing against BMW, but that's just a prudent way to act regardless of a member's postcount, join date, or avatar.

I donated to your bass, and I know where the money went, and that it made a positive effect in your life. I'm very cool with that. I donated to another cause of BMWs, and I knew where the money went and checked with the guy and know that was received and very much appreciated. I'm cool with that. But this incident, where I don't know where the money went, and there is no accountability, I'm not cool with.
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I agree 100%.

MikeBass said:
I understand now and apologize for my earlier post.
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That is cool, no need to let this split our friendships. We will just try to work through it and see where it ends up.
 
#214
I just want to publicly apologize for my previous posts, especially to those they offended. My frustration is not at the individuals that it may seem they were aimed at, but more so at the situation, and my frustration at not being able to do anything to help bring closure, as I wanted to.

This post was not prompted by anyone, other than my wife, who said I acted like an ass, and she's generally right about things like that...

So again, my apologies to anyone I offended, and I hope that this can be resolved as quickly as possible for all parties involved.
 
#215
I have no horse in this race, so my input is nill if you look at it this way....don't bother to read anymore.

That said, I was very happy to see that mike....a great guy, was helped out and given a beautiful instrument and other help in a time of need. I unfortunately was not able to contribute at the time due to my own financial restrictions. Whe the "call to arms" came to light, I am not sure what it was about it.....perhaps the approach, that turned me off. It didn't turn me off the the concept, or cause....but something just didn't seem right about it. With still a limited personal budget, I still wasn't able to support the idea financially.

The fact of the matter is, the excuse of I "don't have time" due to supporting your family doesn't hold a lot of water. Take 10 minutes of your sleep time, and set the record straight. That's all it should take to show some accountability.

Look.....for those who are unhappy with assuming here, remember two things:

1: It would take literally minutes to show where indeed the money did go. No one here is asking for the destination of every last red cent. Verbatim to what would seem plausible would make most satisfied with the answer I would suspect.

2: For those who don't like how this is currently being handled, please refer to the endless amount of time Mikey spent burying Jorg Schroeder for a difference in advertise wood composition on a PROTOTYPE speaker cabinet. He had NO problem calling him out to task for something MUCH more minor, and his tones were accusing him of fraud.

In my "none of my business" opinion, stop the bull**** excuses, stop throwing the **** onto someone else's lap, and man up.....even if you told us you had to spend it on a crack habit, it would be better than the unbelievable line of excuses we've been fed so far.

Man up
 
#216
JoshB said:
I just want to publicly apologize for my previous posts, especially to those they offended. My frustration is not at the individuals that it may seem they were aimed at, but more so at the situation, and my frustration at not being able to do anything to help bring closure, as I wanted to.

This post was not prompted by anyone, other than my wife, who said I acted like an ass, and she's generally right about things like that...

So again, my apologies to anyone I offended, and I hope that this can be resolved as quickly as possible for all parties involved.
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She sounds like a keeper. You would get a requisite 'no pics,
no great wife' comment but we will leave that to a more
pleasant thread.

We all share your frustration, thanks for stating that.
:)
 
#217
Tim Cole said:
The fact of the matter is, the excuse of I "don't have time" due to supporting your family doesn't hold a lot of water. Take 10 minutes of your sleep time, and set the record straight. That's all it should take to show some accountability.
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I agree with this. We're all busy. Take an hour here, and hour there, over a few days and get the accounting done. Makes sense to me. I've read through this thread and it makes me sick to see TB members bickering over something like this.
 
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