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#21
Here's my answer: I don't give a fling about what things are called or what name is written on them. I especially don't care what other people think about what they're called or not called.

I'll tell you this though: Steinway says that rebuilt Steinways NOT rebuilt by Steinway and its craftsmen who know the "recipe" are no longer truly Steinways. In spite of this my answer stays the same, I either personally like it or I don't. It's either being used in a musically useful way or it isn't and ALL time spent trying to tease out the small differences about what makes a fender a fender or a steinway a steinway is simply wasted time.
 
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#22
I have a parts/frankenstein P-bass with an aftermarket jazz pickup/rout, EMG's, and an aftermarket fretless neck made by a luthier. Included is an improperly placed "Fender" decal with no mention of the model. I still call it a Fender, but I wouldn't try and sell it off to someone without explaining all that history...since it is pretty much a dud in terms of collector value.

Great bass in all other ways, though. Excellent player.
 
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Your friend might have a point, albeit delivered with a somewhat limited lexicon.

Would I personally pay the same for a 2nd hand bass made on a kitchen table from Fender parts as I would a 2nd hand bass made at the Fender factory? Nope! Especially if you did the wiring yourself. Fender stock wiring is hardly the gold standard, and their thin slather of shielding paint is more window dressing than sound electrical engineering, but at least the bass was made by somebody on the Fender payroll, and is therefore a Fender.

I've considered building a P bass with a Jazz neck, using Fender parts. A noble idea, but it gets expensive fast and nobody is going to want to pay conventional used Fender prices for your creation.
 
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Its still a p bass it just isnt a fender. Its a parts bass... just accept it. I have a parts p bass and love it
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#33
You play the instrument, not the label.

If it looks like a Precision, plays like a Precision, and it sounds like a Precision - it's a Precision Bass in my book.

A PBass is a PBass is a PBass...

But not every "Precision Bass" is a Fender Precision Bass. If it's not factory original, it's not a Fender PB. It's either a mod or a Frankenbass. (Or maybe a Squier.) But so what? Most of them still sound good and play well. Some even better than some Fullerton or Corona originals.

Don't go making any false statements should you ever go to sell it and there's no fault or foul.
 
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AndyPanda said:
Is this still a Jaguar? Is it still and E type? Is it worth more or less than a factory E type?
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I'm not really a car man, but this is getting into the territory of 'data plate restorations' of classic aircraft. On certain UK aviation forums it was the norm for a while to respond to any wreck recovery threads with the asinine 'will it be at Legends?' comments. In short, it was believed that any wreck was recovered for the precious data plate, which could be affixed to a 99% new aircraft, which is then passed off as the original.

I get a bit annoyed when the name 'Supermarine Spitfire' is affixed to some Subaru-engined 3/4 scale replica of the WW2 originals. I'm especially annoyed by the 'MK 26' title used for some replicas, as it suggests that these wee lawnmower-engined copies are somehow part of the evolution of the historic aircraft line.

I did hear about the front and back halves of an old Jaguar incorporated into two restorations, both of which drive under the ID (sorry, don't know the proper term) of the original vehicle.

Presumably there isn't a right or wrong answer. How much would a "barn find" E-type command, against a poorly restored E-type which is 50% Bondo, vs a well-restored E-type full of non-period-correct features? With aircraft, some will cry and moan if the shade of blue on the underside of the wings is incorrect, whereas I'm just happy to see historic airframes still in the air! Likewise your audience won't know your bass is a Fender...
 
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#35
Is this really something worth arguing about?! If it plays and sounds the way you like, then it doesn't matter if it's a Fender or if it's a parts P-bass made from all Fender factory parts. The only time it would matter is if and when you try to sell it. Then you should make sure the buyer knows exactly what he's getting.

But, until you're disclosing it's heritage to a potential buyer, ask your friend why such an inconsequential issue is so important to him and just play the d@mn thing!
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matty4string said:
i have a p bass made completely from genuine fender parts. My friend told me that it is not a real p bass because it wasn't built from the factory. Even though all the parts were. Anyone else think parts fenders and frankenfenders are not legit fenders even though all the parts were made by fender smh
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It's a Fender, just not all original. If you market it as all original when trying to sell it, you're a idiot. A lying idiot.
 
#40
Or 'the whole is greater than the sum of the parts', if you want to be pedantic. ;) Or was that the joke?

What does 'smh' mean, and can you end any sentence with it?

As in, "all Fender instruments are parts instruments anyway, else you wouldn't find 1966 potentiometers showing up in 1970 instruments smh"

Right?
 
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