Double Bass Name calling, put downs, and cynicism.

[zeytoun]

It's the circle of life.

Bulls eat grass, and poop
Flies come for the poop and we put them in jars
We feed the flies to the lizards
The the Ed Fuquas eat the lizards
And when an Ed Fuqua passes away, we bury it, so that it can fertilize the soil for more grass.

(I don't eat the lizards because I'm a vegetarian, which as I explain to people, means that I eat anything after a plant has digested it...)

 

[Ed Fuqua]

I'm gone be cream ated....

 

[maoyam]

is not about tones or namecallings.
I just think if one cares about the packaging more than the content, it is a losing battle. I've never spent any time joining threads unless I had something to offer. As for feelings being hurt and comments being insensitive, well, that just is beyond me. Strong reaction caused in one is because there had been something in there to react with. Being reactive can only work in face to face situation.
There are pros and cons, yet this is a very effective and fast way to communicate our ideas, this internet. I can honestly say that I am a smug MIJ who's been gaining a lot from just reading words from many posts here on TBDB. Purely behumbling to me. Not HOSTILE. Not to me.
This sort of stuff is evident in many martial arts. Complete denial of one's worth leads to a higher plane, not a breakdown. Leave political correctness on your side of the screen, if poss.
Words and music can only sound in ways in which ears are prepared.
I personally want more grumpy old men here......

 

[akmusicfreak]

One person can't change the world but they can change it a little at a time.

For myself I'm going to try to refrain from negative posting, and only post informed opinions or info based on my related experiences, or from my mentors experiences.

This is only the internet. As we all know don't take any info off the net as gospel, but take it with a grain of salt and do more research.
If everything on the internet was true I'd have a 22" penis, and a $1,000,000 waiting for me in Nigeria bank.

So I'm signing off here on this topic.

Best wishes to all and may your quest for knowledge be prosperous.

Chris does the kitty thing to lighten the mood, being that I live in Alaska I'll try the moose thing.

 

[MR PC]

His holiness has just shot the cow full of holes......rekon it's bout time that cow was cream ated.

 

[TroyK]

You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Dude, do not disrespect Leroy Vinegar.

 

[Treyzer]

From the new book by Wynton M.

Some time ago, the tenor saxophonist Frank Foster was playing a street concert from the Jazzmobile in Harlem. He called for a blues in B-flat. A young tenor player began to play "out" from the first
chorus, playing sounds that had no relationship to the harmonic progression or rhythmic setting.[/FONT] Foster stopped him.

"What are you doing?"

"Just playing what I feel."

"Well, feel something in B-flat, mother%$#&@**."


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[Rattman]

Sorry for barging in from the BG side... Just wanted to say it's been my experience that over here on the DB side it seems like normal culture to call names, put people down, and say "**** you" to anyone who disagrees. Moreover, it seems like the people who spit the worst venom are lionized here as some sort of heroes. The most beloved people are the meanest ones.

That's part of why I mostly stay over in the BG side, even though I want to learn DB. I just don't want to learn it from you people.

I can also think of a few "lionized" people here on TB that seem to be able to say and do anything with little or no consequence.. I make sure to totally avoid any thread they start or posting on like the plauge... 'nuff said.

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

I can also think of a few "lionized" people here on TB that seem to be able to say and do anything with little or no consequence.. I make sure to totally avoid any thread they start or posting on like the plauge... 'nuff said.

That's what the is for on each post. Alternately, you can simply keep on avoiding posts by people whose style you don't care for, or put them on your ignore list. This is what I do on a regular basis, and it keeps the site a lot more stress free for me.

And for whatever it's worth, it strikes me as noteworthy that this kind of thread pops up (or in this case, starts on a more positive note and then takes a turn like this) every so often when so few posts are actually reported. The way the system is supposed to work is that if anyone sees rules being broken, they can report the post they think breaks the rules. Moderators don't read every thread, and certainly not every post in every thread. If no posts are reported and then complaints are made in the open forum about the moderation or lack of same, it starts to make one wonder what the motivation behind the complaint really is.

 

[wineaux]

There have been times in the past where I have been flamed on this site and I vowed (to myself) not to come back. And yet here I am. Why? Because I learn so much here. And -- truth be told -- much of what I learn is from the folks who give me a hard time now and again. I've learned to put up with the occasional poke in the nose because they know more than me and they're usually willing to share it. And sometimes, frankly, I deserve a poke in the nose.

I try to be polite and helpful to newbies and to respect my elders, but I have an edgy sense of humor and sometimes that doesn't come across in writing. Heck, sometimes it doesn 't even come across in person. Sometimes I get frustrated. Sometimes I say things I wish I hadn't said. And sometimes I read things I wish I hadn't read.

Like any family, we have our share of disagreements. But I always try to keep in mind the line in my signature -- "It's all about the music."

That's why I'm here. Play on.

 

[Treyzer]

Some time ago, the tenor saxophonist Frank Foster was playing a street concert from the Jazzmobile in Harlem. He called for a blues in B-flat. A young tenor player began to play "out" from the first chorus, playing sounds that had no relationship to the harmonic progression or rhythmic setting.

Foster stopped him.

"What are you doing?"

"Just playing what I feel."

"Well, feel something in B-flat, mother%$#&@**."




Doesn't anyone else fine this amusing? Either no one sees this for the allegory that it is or they are not listening and just waiting for their turn to speak. This story says quite a bit about the TBDB community don't you think? Why some venerable, older cats sometimes go a bit over the line and why some, certainly not all, (respect too Kevin & Byron especially) of the younger cats just show up and expect that they can say or do whatever they want and that no one will call them on it. Kinda makes you think don't it?

 

[Marc Piane]

Love it. Some of the best **** I've learned by getting razzed by older guys. I told these stories before but I had a stick thrown at me when I screwed up trading 8's, I got 'complimented' on my reading ability when I needed a chart for an easy tune, and much much more.

I guess I frankly don't see what all the fuss is about. I've never been offended by anything said here. Sure there has been some gruff exchanges but we are only talking about words here. Unless those words insult my mother or something I'm gonna ignore stupid **** and discuss things I feel are worth my time. Arrogant? Sure but as a wise man once said (my dad) "Time is the only thing we have in this world with any inherent value." I'm gonna (and I recommend this to everyone) spend it how I see fit.

 

[NJL]

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[Nathan Parker]

I liked your post, Trey, I just sat in silence as I usually do. I got out of line with one of the venerable ones on TB one time, got reamed by him, apologized profusely and have changed my view. I'm a young lad, so I tend to forget to respect my elders sometimes, and I got boxed in the ears for it. I shan't be getting out of line again.

When I was a younger player, I had the opportunity to play for Bobby Shew at a clinic. He wanted to play some tunes, and I was not that big into learning tunes at the time. He asked if I knew Body and Soul, to which I replied no. Then he asked if I knew The Days of Wine and Roses, to which I of course replied no. Then he asked if I knew the C major scale. Ouch. It was a tough experience in front of all my band mates to be razzed by an old pro, but when the gig was over, I learned the **** out all the tunes he wanted to play.

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

Doesn't anyone else fine this amusing?

Yep. I've used it before without the last word many times. It's even funnier with it.

Love it. Some of the best **** I've learned by getting razzed by older guys. I told these stories before but I had a stick thrown at me when I screwed up trading 8's, I got 'complimented' on my reading ability when I needed a chart for an easy tune, and much much more.

Me too. Some of the moments were awkward, but they were the ones I remembered, which often lit a fire under my proverbial buttocks to not put myself in that same position again. Other times, it was the guys who sugarcoated the truth and let me see the sugar, which was just as motivating because I wanted to drink my coffee black like everybody else.

Other times, when a teacher or mentor knew I was working on it, a slow steady "keep doing what you're doing" was the best thing.

I guess I frankly don't see what all the fuss is about. I've never been offended by anything said here. Sure there has been some gruff exchanges but we are only talking about words here. Unless those words insult my mother or something I'm gonna ignore stupid **** and discuss things I feel are worth my time.

+1

YMWCB, BTW

 

[Jake deVilliers]

As a mouthy apprentice carpenter I got told off in plain language enough times to turn me into a good tradesman - having PW tell me to **** off just makes me feel young again!

 

[Jeff Kissell]

From the new book by Wynton M.

Some time ago, the tenor saxophonist Frank Foster was playing a street concert from the Jazzmobile in Harlem. He called for a blues in B-flat. A young tenor player began to play "out" from the first chorus, playing sounds that had no relationship to the harmonic progression or rhythmic setting.
Foster stopped him.
"What are you doing?"
"Just playing what I feel."
"Well, feel something in B-flat, mother%$#&@**."

This restores my faith in OTJ training!
-J

 

[Paul Warburton]

As a mouthy apprentice carpenter I got told off in plain language enough times to turn me into a good tradesman - having PW tell me to **** off just makes me feel young again!

OK Jake,....you asked for it. **** off!

 

[Eric Swanson]

First, props and respect for Sam Sherry's sage and eloquent post. Hear, hear.

I am generally unconcerned with the tone or style of someone else's delivery, unless they are verbally skilled, funny, or both.

Here is some of my repertoire of quotes/thoughts, which help me see productive shapes in the occasional controversies (real or imagined) of life:

- "Aggression breeds aggression."

- It helps me to worry about things in direct proportion to the amount of control I have over them.

- "Resentment is like a cup of poison we pour for someone else, but end up drinking ourselves; it only hurts us."

- "Respond, don't react."

- "When a person offended (us) we said to ourselves, 'This is a sick man. How can I be helpful to him? G*d save me from being angry. Thy will be done.' "

- "Nothing pays off like restraint of tongue and pen."

- "It is a spiritual axiom that every time we are disturbed, no matter what the cause, there is something wrong with us."

- The thought that being polite never hurts my dignity or self-esteem, lets other stew in their own juices, and sends a powerful message about my refusal to let other folks darken my day.

(edit: All of these thoughts/sayings are things I heard, read, or learned elsewhere; I am sharing them because they help me and seemed relevant. I made up none of them.)

 

[Chris Fitzgerald]

First, props and respect for Sam Sherry's sage and eloquent post. Hear, hear.

Ayuh. Not surprising, though, considering the source.

- It helps me to worry about things in direct proportion to the amount of control I have over them.

- "Resentment is like a cup of poison we pour for someone else, but end up drinking ourselves; it only hurts us."

Duly stolen.