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#241
OK how about this for a scenario:

1) ND squeaks by USC because of a missed extra point and gets a shot in the Championship.

2) MI plays Texas (the # 4 team) and wins by thirty at the Rose Bowl.

3) Troy Smith gets injured in the first play from scrimmage and ND squeaks by 10-9 on a controversial last second play.

Should a team that lost at home to MI by over twenty be the national Champion? MI is STILL the number two team in the nation. If their was a clear cut dominant third team I would not be such a homer on this one, but ALL of the other contenders have had losses that we're dubious at best, losing to teams like Kansas, Oregon State and Notre Dame barely getting by MSU and getting destroyed by MI at home. The fact of the matter is college football (this season) is like the old Big Ten. It's the Big Two, MI. and OSU, and some pretenders. If the best two teams don't play in the championship game then the chances for a tie are huge.
 
#243
burk48237 said:
OK how about this for a scenario:

1) ND squeaks by USC because of a missed extra point and gets a hlot in the Championship.

2) MI plays Texas (the # 4 team) and wins by thirty at the Rose Bowl.

3) Troy Smith gets injured in the first play from scrimmage and ND squeaks by 10-9 on a controversial last second play.

Should a team that lost at home to MI by over twenty be the national Champion? MI is STILL the number two team in the nation. If their was a clear cut dominant third team I would not be such a homer on this one, but ALL of the other contenders have had losses that we're dubious at best, losing to teams like Kansas, Oregon State and Notre Dame barely getting by MSU and getting destroyed by MI at home. The fact of the matter is college football (this season) is like the old Big Ten. It's the Big Two, MI. and OSU, and some pretenders. If the best two teams don't play in the championship game then the chances for a tie are huge.
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Easy there Homer J Simpson. I guess you forgot that One of the Big Two barely beat a 2-10 team about two weeks ago.

Whatever, one man's barely getting by is another's comeback of the century.
 
#245
v-12 said:
i don't know if i agree with that. if the game wouldn't have been close, i would completely agree that another team should get the chance to play them. but do you honestly believe the outcome would have been the same if the game was in the big house this year? on a neutral field?
hopefully we'll find out in the rematch :hiding: .
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OMG, because it was a 3 point game, everyone still thinks it was close... lets not forget, there was a key, uncharacteristic interception that UM went down & scored on...

Ya want real? ok...

Time of Possession, OSU 31:02, Mich: 28:58
Total Yards, OSU 503, Mich 397
3rd down efficiency, OSU 6-11, Mich 4-13

The difference in this game was, OSU had 3 turn overs, & STILL won!

Is Michigan the 2nd ranked team in the nation, yea... probably. But, the game wasnt as close as the 3 point margin would indicate. A rematch would bear that out. How many times in history, has a number 1 ranked team knocked of the number 2 ranked team, TWICE in one season?

Give someone else a shot...
 
#246
Bottom line OSU played the worst game of their season and still scored 42 points on Michigan and was in control once they took the lead....10 points came off OS mistakes...bad snaps ..what the #$%@...where did that come from...the best team won and will win THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP>>>GO BUCKS!
 
#247
bassbully43 said:
Bottom line OSU played the worst game of their season and still scored 42 points on Michigan and was in control once they took the lead....10 points came off OS mistakes...bad snaps ..what the #$%@...where did that come from...the best team won and will win THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP>>>GO BUCKS!
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I would say that homerism is clouding your judgement if you think that was their worst game of the season. I'd also say allowing a late comeback from Illinois qualifies as the worst game of football played by anyone ever.
 
#248
McHack said:
OMG, because it was a 3 point game, everyone still thinks it was close... lets not forget, there was a key, uncharacteristic interception that UM went down & scored on...
..... How many times in history, has a number 1 ranked team knocked of the number 2 ranked team, TWICE in one season?
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wasn't that close? uncharacteristic interception? i could just as easily say those were two "uncharacteristic" touchdown runs against the nations best run defense....
i would definitely say it was a close game, i think if michigan doesn't get that personal foul after the incomplete pass on 3rd and 15 the game would have had a different winner. the majority of the stats are first half stats, where michigan was completely outcoached (and outplayed). after halftime it was a completely different game, which I say makes them pretty well matched. i give OSU all due credit for beating #2 michigan, but to beat the #2 team week 2, give me a break. lets not forget florida state and miami started out in the top 12........
i firmly believe the only team in the country that will beat ohio state is michigan, and the AP and a computer ;) agree with me :p

besides, we all know what happened last time there was a rematch in the championship game......
 
#249
abark000 said:
I would say that homerism is clouding your judgement if you think that was their worst game of the season. I'd also say allowing a late comeback from Illinois qualifies as the worst game of football played by anyone ever.
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Employing the chewbacca defense? How can the worst game played by anyone ever, still result in a win? That does not make sense!

In 2002, the majority of the OSU victories came w/ a point differential of 7 points or LESS... and, they still won the championship game that year. This year, OSU was really tested only twice... Saturday, they were tested by Michigan. On the way, OSU played Illinois... they were tested by themselves.
 
#250
on a side note, this is why i think div 1 needs a playoff system. we could still be having these discussions, it would just be about the top 8, etc. i know the whole argument about "every week is like a playoff", but why is div 1 football the only sport in the country (off the top of my head) that uses this system? if "every week is like a playoff" why don't all other sorts use it? if it really makes ALL the games more exciting, maybe the pros will change as well, since there would be more attendance during the regular season for everyone, so a loss of revenue shouldn't happen. maybe if we got rid of march madness the basketball season would be more competitive? :eyebrow:
 
#251
Jeez. Everyone calm down. As far as I'm concerned, the National title game was played Saturday and OSU won it. ANYTHING the BCS does after this point will be stupid up to and including a rematch of Saturday's game. If any team besides UM ends up playing for the BCS "title", people will whine (ligitimately) that the team playing OSU is worse than Michigan. On the other hand, if Michigan ends up playing and wins.....then we are stuck in the situation of Michigan winning the title by defeating a team that already beat them....leading to a ridiculous "best 2 out of 3" scenario.

If there is any justice on this planet, Ohio State will play Michigan again for the title and beat them, shutting everyone up.

signed, a lifelong Michigan fan, born in Ann Arbor, whose father used to take tickets at the game to get me in free...

Mike
 
#254
McHack said:
But, the game wasnt as close as the 3 point margin would indicate.
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actually, the game is always as close as the score would indicate. had ted ginn not caught the onside kick, had UM recovered, they would've had a chance to score a winning touchdown.

i say this having watched msu lose heartbreakingly to UM the last two years. if OSU had truly closed out UM, the score wouldn't have been as close. i agree, the "pass interference" call was bogus. but OSU still should have kept UM out of the end zone.

now, if USC loses to ND, i still think the SEC champion would and should be ranked higher than ND. because ND nearly lost to msu. that is sad.

robb.
 
#255
Dang! This thread went almost a week with no posts!!

USC keeps rolling along. That was great to see them beat up on big time pretender Notre Dame and Charlie Weis.

Nice job Arkansas for losing that game to LSU!!! Florida had little chance of jumping up to #2 if USC lost, but there is NO WAY now. Beating Arkansas in the SEC title game won't mean much anymore. :mad: :mad:

Oh well, it was not meant to be this year for the Gators. I'll grab a seat on the USC bandwagon now!!!

-Mike
 
#256
I sincerely hate all the "homer-istic" OSU fanboy-come-lately announcers, but I hate everything that USC football represents.

Any and all "Best Ever" talk sets me on edge. Bear Bryant is still rolling in a his grave over everyone and their mother sucking up to USC last year.

Can't a tie still occur if it goes through double OT? I'll hope for that or a close game just to shut up the OSU fanboys.
They'll probably start talking "best ever" if they blow them out.
 
#257
abark000 said:
....but I hate everything that USC football represents.
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That's too bad. There is more good than bad about the USC Trojans.

I won't throw out the "best ever" talk too often. I think Pete Carroll has put together a good program at USC, and it shows on the field.

Since my Gators are out of it, Penn State was never in it, and my mom went to USC, I will hope for the Trojans to beat OSU if USC makes it that far.

-Mike
 
#260
so provided USC still beats UCLA, is there any talk of a UM rematch? the michigan fan i know at work who also graduated from UM (a rare coincidence in detroit) does not believe UM deserves it any longer. even though the margin of victory was less and USC was at home, he thinks all the breaks went for UM against ND. but they went against USC against ND, and ND still couldn't get anything done.

while the debate is still valid, i think the fact that the common opponent is a push at best, or perhaps favors USC, and that USC will (again, provided they beat UCLA) be the conference champion, they are certainly a very good choice to be the number 2 team. i also think the game will be a very good game, and closer than i previously believed.

in other news, my team hired mark dantonio from cincinnati (university of) to be their new head coach. i think this will be a very good thing. but i'm an optimist.

robb.
 

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