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Never Ordering a Schroeder Cab Again
- Thread starter CheapTrickFanatic
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Folks, The Box is not magic, it probably will but both Cabs in Series (like everyone has said). Could have been done with a Wire and Speakon Plugs, and not a box. Just wire and electrical tape.
Seems I'd bring the box and make sure I had correct Speakon connectors to make it work and quit whining about it. I built wired connectors 4 decades ago like that with just wire and jacks. Hell build your own Connectors guy, or let the guy at the local music store rake you over the coals for building them for you, all it takes is the proper connectors and a soldering gun. You just need to know what connectors to buy.
I'm sure Jorg met the intent of the buyer which probably wanted to use the cabinets independently more often. In fact, If I was only using a single cab, especially into an amp with less than 800 watt output, I'd advise using 4 ohm cabinets.
But if you ever wanted an option to connect both (and your amps can't take a 2 ohm load - sorry mine will) the only way around it is wire the cabs in series and get an 8 ohm load onto the amp. Pretty damn simple.
But I've never had anyone offer to build me a series wiring harness for free. Seems Jorg went out of his way to do this. But not his problem that the cabinet buyer can't hook it up, and find correct Speakon cables that will work.
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No excitement here just calling it like I see. Its obvious by whats already been stated here the customer has no idea what hes talking about.
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I bolded that because in post #120, he says this: " I, originally, was considering a 15+2x10 cab. 4 ohms." So you see we were getting some different info at this point, along with the fact of his being unfamiliar with Speakon cables, which added to his difficulty in using the box, or at least getting it hooked up right, which, according to him, he finally got sorted out. What do you mean he had nothing ? He had the 15/8 cab from Jorg that he was using for awhile, then got the box, then he ordered a new cab. You call that nothing ?? And you still have not answered my question about how you know Jorg knows about this thread and is choosing not to answer.
he didn't have the 15x8. read the original again. He was ordering that cabinet with the intent of pairing with another cab he would buy in the future.
First paragraph of OP
" Initially, I wanted an 8 ohm cab, as to potentially utilize with a second cabinet."
that is fair.
What has been learned for sure is to do more homework before making a purchase.
If you read the original post it is very clear that he laid out what he wanted with Jorg and then ordered products based on the recommendation.
Clearly you have decided the OP is a liar.
I have taken him at his word.
I give up too.
Read the OP again. He only ordered the first cab 4 ohm after being promised a magic box for the future combined rig.
Have you ever considered the possibilty that OP has misunderstood some vital points?
He hasn't been able to use it because he has chosen to be a bit obtuse, quite frankly.
Mindboggling.
We DON'T KNOW what Jorg said.
But knowing the OP already owned a 4 ohm cab and wanted to use two... it sounds likely to me that Jorg would say:
- If you get another 4ohm cab, you won't be able to use both together with your amp.
At that point there's two options if you want to keep the amplifier:
1) buy TWO 8 ohm cabs. Pricey. But certainly better business for Jorg.
or
2) since your amp is pretty powerful, you could in fact buy ONE 4 ohm cab, but wire it in series. How? I'll send you a box if you like to do that.
That's what seems logical to me, and how it sounds to me that the conversation went from what I read here.
The OP got the cab and the box. Then got stuck, and we don't know in his frustration how he dealt with it and Jorg. But it doesn't take a lot of initiative to just connect the things together. He had enough initiative to rant here but not to learn and find how to connect the boxes together? His choice entirely. But it's easier to blame others, of course, than putting a tiny bit of effort in learning about one's own equipment... That I do not understand.
IF all that were accurate... the OP would still get a pair of cabs that he can't use together...
It's easy for tech-savvy people to say that the OP should have known better or that he should have procured the correct connectors or... etc... However, some people do not understand much about electronics and some may even be cautious about hooking up something they don't understand. Should they be blamed for that?
Assuming that the OP's story is accurate, he specified at the outset that he wanted 8 ohm cabinets for his 4 ohm minimum amplifier and was instead talking into buying 4 ohm cabinets with a "magic" series box to hook them up. First off, I'd say that the seller was off base by selling him the 4 ohm model; it would be troubling if it was because the seller had 4 ohm parts in stock and pushed the OP into buying something he not only didn't want, but was also sub-optimal for his rig, all because it served the seller's purposes better than the OP's. I see no reason at all why an 8 ohm 15/8 cabinet could not have been built as the necessary components are widely available.
The seller also should have explained how the series box functioned along with information regarding what sort of electrical connectors were required to hook it up. I'm going to guess that what the OP wanted was a simple "plug and play" rig, where he could just plug his new cabinets into his amp, without having to buy any special Neutrik connectors; this is not unreasonable in the slightest. Two 8 ohm cabinets would have accomplished this. Not only does a series box add unnecessary complexity (over the two 8 ohm cabinets the OP originally wanted), it results in a loss of power and a sub-optimal speaker wiring scheme which has potential performance issues.
Anyone capable of building/wiring a speaker cabinet should have more than sufficient understanding of electronics to explain what a series connection box is and how to use it. The suggestion that an engineer was required for any of this is laughable. It also appears that the construction of the series box supplied may have left it unable to function correctly due to some protruding screws. Not sure if this is correct, but if so, that it also highly problematic, because it entails supplying a sub-optimal solution to a problem that doesn't even work.
Assuming that the OP's story is accurate, he specified at the outset that he wanted 8 ohm cabinets for his 4 ohm minimum amplifier and was instead talking into buying 4 ohm cabinets with a "magic" series box to hook them up. First off, I'd say that the seller was off base by selling him the 4 ohm model; it would be troubling if it was because the seller had 4 ohm parts in stock and pushed the OP into buying something he not only didn't want, but was also sub-optimal for his rig, all because it served the seller's purposes better than the OP's. I see no reason at all why an 8 ohm 15/8 cabinet could not have been built as the necessary components are widely available.
The seller also should have explained how the series box functioned along with information regarding what sort of electrical connectors were required to hook it up. I'm going to guess that what the OP wanted was a simple "plug and play" rig, where he could just plug his new cabinets into his amp, without having to buy any special Neutrik connectors; this is not unreasonable in the slightest. Two 8 ohm cabinets would have accomplished this. Not only does a series box add unnecessary complexity (over the two 8 ohm cabinets the OP originally wanted), it results in a loss of power and a sub-optimal speaker wiring scheme which has potential performance issues.
Anyone capable of building/wiring a speaker cabinet should have more than sufficient understanding of electronics to explain what a series connection box is and how to use it. The suggestion that an engineer was required for any of this is laughable. It also appears that the construction of the series box supplied may have left it unable to function correctly due to some protruding screws. Not sure if this is correct, but if so, that it also highly problematic, because it entails supplying a sub-optimal solution to a problem that doesn't even work.
There are three sides to every story. We only know one.
- John
- John
I have no disrespect to dish out to OP or Jorg. But I think the take home story, besides don't get your panties in a bind when it's not your money, is, if you want to build a complex system, out of complex parts, learn all the aspects of how they interact, how to operate them, and about compatibility (hint: impedance is everything in audio). Otherwise, buy a system that's known to work, like a whole system from one manufacturer, then still learn how they interact and how to operate them. Otherwise buy a combo and learn how to operate it.
From what the OP said, that's exactly what he set out to do before the seller convinced him to buy the more complex system he didn't really want. Should we blame the OP for that?
Hate to say it, If you don't know what's going on, then go get a Fender Rumble, Mark-Bass combo, or an Ampeg SVT refrigerator. If you want to deal in the custom Amp and Cabinet business, get some good advice, know what is being discussed, and get a great system. It's all about learning and wisdom. Been doing this for over 50 years, have had Fender, Peavy, Ampeg, Silvertone, Lafayette (oh yeah goes back that far), Vox Super Beatle, and others; but I learned everytime. I used seperate Amps and Preamps for many decades, and even built my own Cabs with EVs and JBLs. Had Hartkes, Carvins, Aguliar, Epfafini, and so many more.
As far as my dealings with Jorg, I have always felt he had my interests at heart; and supplied me with some great Bass Cabinets. No matter if I was powering them from a Crown XTi , Crown XLS, or a MG 800 Genzler, those cabinets performed way beyond my expectations. Just saying. But we could discuss Bass Amplification and Cabinets with wisdom. And decide what was what I was wanting to accomplish. Nuff said.
And clearly that statement you made about Jorg having been notified about this thread is a lie also. Unless you have some proof of it, which you are conveniently ignoring my requests to show it. I never called the Op a liar, do not put words in my mouth.
