I don't know what you are getting at here, but Dave is not calling this a Genz Benz cab; he's saying he bought the drivers from them. Also, how did you " confirm " that this is just a driver in a box?
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I don't know what you are getting at here, but Dave is not calling this a Genz Benz cab; he's saying he bought the drivers from them. Also, how did you " confirm " that this is just a driver in a box?
Apparently, they bought a pallet (or a few) of "X product", and are letting people know what X is.
I'm no trademark/"use of brand or likeness" lawyer, but I don't see a conflict there. Simply letting people know what it is they're buying......sort of. We still really don't know if it's an equivelent of "Genz part # xxxxxxxx", or a run of some prototype, or what.
They were distributing Genz amps for a while before the business closure. None of us really know the details of that contract specifically.
Hell, they might be the greatest thing since sliced bread, or could be some defect Genz sent back saying "this ain't right".
The price is good and I bet they sound like a bass.
The fact that he said that the 1X12 combined with the 2X10 make a great rig says it all............
Don't get me wrong. I like Dave and Avatar, and have owned some of his cabs (still have a B212). It's a well built cab with premium drivers for less then others, but there really is no R&D department.
Much of it is contracted out....just like many other companies. Many, many more than will ever admit.
I emailed Dave to ask if these were OEM drivers, or stock Faitals, and if the cab was modeled for them. Here is his reply :
"They are stock faital 10pr300s that genz benz bought so they have genz benz label on the back. The cab is made for the fatails yes ".
"They are stock faital 10pr300s that genz benz bought so they have genz benz label on the back. The cab is made for the fatails yes ".
Ebay ad "These Faital Neo 10s are 10PR300s that were made for the Genz Benz bass company."
Genz Benz had custom drivers made. These are not Faital 10PR300 as they would not have the same TS specs as real Faital 10PR300. These are not going to be labeled "Faital 10PR300"
I highly doubt anybody gave Avatar the TS specs, or Avatar even knows or has the means to measure them.
2 fit in a box "maybe" designed for a 12.
There's some stretching of the marketing truth here. I'm going to go put some Rolls Royce sparc plugs in my Hyundai tomorrow.
Genz Benz had custom drivers made. These are not Faital 10PR300 as they would not have the same TS specs as real Faital 10PR300. These are not going to be labeled "Faital 10PR300"
I highly doubt anybody gave Avatar the TS specs, or Avatar even knows or has the means to measure them.
2 fit in a box "maybe" designed for a 12.
There's some stretching of the marketing truth here. I'm going to go put some Rolls Royce sparc plugs in my Hyundai tomorrow.
I guess he is right.........
That cab design was only for his 1X12's, so by making a new baffle for it, he did make the cab for the Faitals (whether any actual measuring or modeling was done is doubtful).
Believe it or not, a whole crapload of "standard" 10" loaded bass cabs are somewhere around 1cu.ft. per driver and tuned somewhere between 40 & 55hz.
Yes, you can get down into the minutiae of "proper box for proper driver", but when most things end up in the same general range, it's more appropriate to chalk it up subjective tone differences and driver design.
Yes, you can get down into the minutiae of "proper box for proper driver", but when most things end up in the same general range, it's more appropriate to chalk it up subjective tone differences and driver design.
So says the poo-poo-party-line spewing "recently accepted tribal knowledge" here, against any and all mixing of driver sizes. Like Avatar is the ONLY company suggesting this type of thing. So glad, regardless, that the enlightened TB masses know better. PHEW. BLESS US, We can all proudly thumb noses at someone who likes the sound of them together...just knowing how wrong they are with their own God-given ears lying to them this whole time and all.
There are so many countless clueless bastards out there gigging all these mixed cabs. They don't even know how deluded they are, being happy with their tone...them witless souls. Don't they know they are improperly dispersing mids? UNTOLD amounts of combing. My GOD. However are we going to save all of them?
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I'mma gonna need to you show evidence to support your derision. Go ahead, I will wait.
Either that, or I'm going to have to insist you march right down there, shake your finger at them and say "I ain't buyin!".
That'll show 'em but good. Yessir.
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Look dude. We get it. Someone posted some facts that supported an argument, y'all bought it as gospel just because math somehow rules this roost and trusting your own ears sucks, and that flat out means that now everything that's come before it is now completely wrong, and the people still doing it are all stupids.
It's like that whole Pluto is no longer a planet thing. Oh wait. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/02/pluto-planet-solar-system/16578959/
Ok, silly analogy.
I could give a golly-goddamn that my 410 is not as efficient in delivery as a line-arrayed orientation of the same drivers, I like the form factor and it sounds good to my ears. Do you really want to waste your energy trying to convince me I'm supposedly wrong, as set by "the new standard" you believe? Spare me.
I used to work for the largest pro-audio enclosure manufacturer in the world. I was with them before the whole vertical column line array thing became the successor. Does not mean their previous systems didn't kick ass and sound amazing just the same. Same thing here.
It's like that whole Pluto is no longer a planet thing. Oh wait. http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2014/10/02/pluto-planet-solar-system/16578959/
Ok, silly analogy.
I could give a golly-goddamn that my 410 is not as efficient in delivery as a line-arrayed orientation of the same drivers, I like the form factor and it sounds good to my ears. Do you really want to waste your energy trying to convince me I'm supposedly wrong, as set by "the new standard" you believe? Spare me.
I used to work for the largest pro-audio enclosure manufacturer in the world. I was with them before the whole vertical column line array thing became the successor. Does not mean their previous systems didn't kick ass and sound amazing just the same. Same thing here.
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Nope...
I have my Avatar 112 under my Avatar 210 and they are DEFINITELY not the same box with different baffles. They're not the same exterior dimensions, the port is on different faces, not the same at all.
So your entire post becomes suspect because your fundamental opening assertion is factually wrong.
I questioned Dave about the 2-12's and he told me no tuning was done any differently than the older cabs
Why should Fender care? They closed the brand down. Apparently the name has no value to them. Otherwise they could pump out Streamliners and Shuttles all day long with cheaper components and capitalize on the "name."
I'm outraged. I just confirmed it...my cab is ALSO...speakers in a box! WHAT THE HELL...WHY did no one tell me? 
Though I get the meaning at the core of it, spouting that phrase "confirmed, speaker in a box" mockingly just sounds so stupid.
At the end of the day, I hope it's a good sounding cab, performs pleasingly to people, and they sell a million of them (or until their supply of custom / non custom Faital-Benz drivers run out) and that people using them have fun playing their gigs. That's what it's about. That's the goal. Not pouring over specs from a magazine while sitting on your toilet feeling smug and superior. Getting hung up on this type of stuff just because it gives you a nugget of power in an online argument is the great poison of this website.
Though I get the meaning at the core of it, spouting that phrase "confirmed, speaker in a box" mockingly just sounds so stupid.
At the end of the day, I hope it's a good sounding cab, performs pleasingly to people, and they sell a million of them (or until their supply of custom / non custom Faital-Benz drivers run out) and that people using them have fun playing their gigs. That's what it's about. That's the goal. Not pouring over specs from a magazine while sitting on your toilet feeling smug and superior. Getting hung up on this type of stuff just because it gives you a nugget of power in an online argument is the great poison of this website.
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I am compelled to add my limited experience with an Avatar cab. A few months ago I went looking for an affordable but functional used 2x10. Found a 4x10 4 ohm Avatar cab for $200.
I had heard of Avatar but had no experience with them. I bought the cab because its dimensions would work for me. I was extremely surprised with this cab. Initially I assumed it would not keep up with a 'better' 4x10.
Surprise, this cab is a workhorse. I recently put it on a bench in my garage with a signal generator signal through my power amp. Whatever method of speaker and box matching Avatar uses works.
These were loud and did not fart down to 20Hz. The midrange was very good also.
I know this is an older model cab but I will consider Avatar in the future. I looked at the speakers but did not see any manufacture markings on them.
I had heard of Avatar but had no experience with them. I bought the cab because its dimensions would work for me. I was extremely surprised with this cab. Initially I assumed it would not keep up with a 'better' 4x10.
Surprise, this cab is a workhorse. I recently put it on a bench in my garage with a signal generator signal through my power amp. Whatever method of speaker and box matching Avatar uses works.
These were loud and did not fart down to 20Hz. The midrange was very good also.
I know this is an older model cab but I will consider Avatar in the future. I looked at the speakers but did not see any manufacture markings on them.
