New Bergantino cabs!!!!!!!!!

[BurningSkies]

...you would be *very* happy with an IP...

+1. After playing through a few IPs at Tom's place earlier this year, I'm just not quite happy with how anything else sounds any more.

I really would want to hear one myself and in person before I commit on 'new technology'

I've always been more of a "head & cab" guy than a "pre/power/cab" guy...but that doesn't mean I'd overlook the IP series...it would mean I'd have to rethink my whole setup! We don't really have a dealer in the area, so I can't really test the IPs before buying either.

You know, I know how everyone wants uncolored and flat, but I end up EQing the HELL out of my sound anyway. Part of this comes from the fact that I really like a bass that feels and sounds lively, but then I boost the lows and progressivley roll off the mids and highs (the EQ on my amp got a few strange looks at the Woodstock TB GTG), to get the tone I need for my gigs. I also ride the line between uncompressed tone and needing enough definition for quicker modern/dancehall type playing.

 

[tombowlus]

You know, I know how everyone wants uncolored and flat, but I end up EQing the HELL out of my sound anyway. Part of this comes from the fact that I really like a bass that feels and sounds lively, but then I boost the lows and progressivley roll off the mids and highs (the EQ on my amp got a few strange looks at the Woodstock TB GTG), to get the tone I need for my gigs. I also ride the line between uncompressed tone and needing enough definition for quicker modern/dancehall type playing.

One thing that is fun about the IP cabs is that whole proverbial "blank slate" thing. You are gonna have a lot of fun playing with all the results you can get from tweaking like a mad dog.

 

[KJung]

You know, I know how everyone wants uncolored and flat

.... only a few TBers IMO It's amazing how 'unflat' you need to get your sound to actually end up sounding balanced, punchy and defined out in the audience in a live setting and busy mix. It's also why a lot of stuff that sounds amazing in the basement ends up sounding like dog on the gig... and also the other way around!

 

[BurningSkies]

One thing that is fun about the IP cabs is that whole proverbial "blank slate" thing. You are gonna have a lot of fun playing with all the results you can get from tweaking like a mad dog.

Heh.

I haven't even gotten the HT yet and y'all are ready for me to be playing with an IP.

I'm a guy who used the same basic no frills Carvin 4x10 for over 10 years...with only a speaker switch out after the first 8!

 

[BurningSkies]

.... only a few TBers IMO It's amazing how 'unflat' you need to get your sound to actually end up sounding balanced, punchy and defined out in the audience in a live setting and busy mix. It's also why a lot of stuff that sounds amazing in the basement ends up sounding like dog on the gig... and also the other way around!

True, this. For years I've been playing out with 5 people on stage. Before that I was in a band with 8 players.

These days, we have:
1 bass player ( )
2 guitars (electric & acoustic or electric & Electric)
2 Keyboards
1 kit drummer
1 or 2 african hand drummer(s)
rhythm 'toy' player
Melodica player (believe it or not)
Trumpet & Trombone
7 vocals (3 different leads and backing vocals)

My bass doesn't need to cut through the mix though. Reggae is about syncopation and each instrument holding a different band-width hostage. I'm also the loudest instrument in the band anyway, so I can forego most of the mids that bass players use to 'cut'.

My love of my 1212 comes from the fact that I can still stand on any piece of real estate on stage and hear myself, and that I know the other players can hear me too. With this many people on stage, someone has to herd the kitties and keep their time straight!

 

[KJung]

True, this. For years I've been playing out with 5 people on stage. Before that I was in a band with 8 players.

These days, we have:
1 bass player ( )
2 guitars (electric & acoustic or electric & Electric)
2 Keyboards
1 kit drummer
1 or 2 african hand drummer(s)
rhythm 'toy' player
Melodica player (believe it or not)
Trumpet & Trombone
7 vocals (3 different leads and backing vocals)

My bass doesn't need to cut through the mix though. Reggae is about syncopation and each instrument holding a different band-width hostage. I'm also the loudest instrument in the band anyway, so I can forego most of the mids that bass players use to 'cut'.

My love of my 1212 comes from the fact that I can still stand on any piece of real estate on stage and hear myself, and that I know the other players can hear me too. With this many people on stage, someone has to herd the kitties and keep their time straight!

I also typically play in a busy mix... up to 12.. multiple singers, horn sections, etc. However, in the pop/funk world that I live in, definition is everything.. and staying out of the way of the bass drum down low and the cymbals up high. More mid present cabs like the 1212, the Bags, the EpiUL's, etc. work beautifully for that, without the need for complex EQ or a ton of tweaking or a massive amount of wattage.

For your Reggae type thing... the 1212L would be the last cab I would think of due to its strong low mid voicing and small size... resulting in not a lot of 50 hz and below rumble...even when EQ'd. I have a feeling you will love the much more extended low end of the Berg line. You might want to take a look at the HT122s also.... a very deep sounding 112. It doesn't even approach the volume of the 1212L with similar wattage, but it will give you more sub 50hz girth, and would probably give you that 'dub' low end that you are missing with the 1212L.

Of course, this cab is also discontinued, but they do come up used every once in a while.

You also might want to consider an EpifaniT212... one of the older models... that is a low end machine that also, like the Bergs, has enough mid definition to work in most settings.

Finally, since you have been generally happy with your Schroeder, the 21012L puts out MASSIVE low end compared to the 1212L, and is still relatively small and around 60 pounds. It is very wide sounding, and can put out the rumble also.

Good luck on your search!

K

 

[KJung]

PS One more thought... since the 1212L can really take a lot of lowend EQing without breaking up, I was very impressed with the deep low end you could get out of that cab with the Carvin B1500. The deep bass knob on that amp, combined with the large transformer and massive power can really drive some deep low end out of that cab. That might be a relatively low cost option that would still allow you to use a single small cab but also pump out the dub! Just a thought.... they have a 'no questions asked' 10 day return policy.

 

[tombowlus]

.... only a few TBers IMO

And I'd say it's a decent number.

It's amazing how 'unflat' you need to get your sound to actually end up sounding balanced, punchy and defined out in the audience in a live setting and busy mix.

I think you are overgeneralizing here, Ken. That may be the case for you (and certainly other players as well), but it's not the case for everyone.

Tom.

 

[tombowlus]

Cool. I believe I'll have one next week sometime.

I love TB.


I'm very much looking forward to it!

This was in response to the Dude saying that you would have an IP some time next week. You mean you are not?

 

[BurningSkies]

This was in response to the Dude saying that you would have an IP some time next week. You mean you are not?

Sorry Tom that's actually a mis-quote...I'm grabbing a HT115 from a TB'er. I didn't notice that until you posted this!

I apologize to everyone for the confusion. That's what I get for posting after just waking up.

 

[BurningSkies]

I also typically play in a busy mix... up to 12.. multiple singers, horn sections, etc. However, in the pop/funk world that I live in, definition is everything.. and staying out of the way of the bass drum down low and the cymbals up high. More mid present cabs like the 1212, the Bags, the EpiUL's, etc. work beautifully for that, without the need for complex EQ or a ton of tweaking or a massive amount of wattage.

For your Reggae type thing... the 1212L would be the last cab I would think of due to its strong low mid voicing and small size... resulting in not a lot of 50 hz and below rumble...even when EQ'd. I have a feeling you will love the much more extended low end of the Berg line. You might want to take a look at the HT122s also.... a very deep sounding 112. It doesn't even approach the volume of the 1212L with similar wattage, but it will give you more sub 50hz girth, and would probably give you that 'dub' low end that you are missing with the 1212L.

Of course, this cab is also discontinued, but they do come up used every once in a while.

You also might want to consider an EpifaniT212... one of the older models... that is a low end machine that also, like the Bergs, has enough mid definition to work in most settings.

Finally, since you have been generally happy with your Schroeder, the 21012L puts out MASSIVE low end compared to the 1212L, and is still relatively small and around 60 pounds. It is very wide sounding, and can put out the rumble also.

Good luck on your search!

K

Thanks Ken. I've been using my 1212 with a Mesa 400+ and have been boosting the lows considerably to get what I wanted out of it. I originally bought it thinking I'd use it as a one cab solution as needed and pair it with something when I wanted a bigger rig. It has done admirably given the size it is. But I always fought the fact that to my ears it sounds pretty compressed. I've never had a complaint from other players about it, though. When on a hollow stage, it can produce some good low.

I'm thinking it might go in the other direction if I really end up loving the HT115...Add the 1212 when I'm needing more volume and using the 15 when I have a smaller venue to deal with.

 

[John D Harris]

Thanks Ken. I've been using my 1212 with a Mesa 400+ and have been boosting the lows considerably to get what I wanted out of it. I originally bought it thinking I'd use it as a one cab solution as needed and pair it with something when I wanted a bigger rig. It has done admirably given the size it is. But I always fought the fact that to my ears it sounds pretty compressed. I've never had a complaint from other players about it, though. When on a hollow stage, it can produce some good low.

I'm thinking it might go in the other direction if I really end up loving the HT115...Add the 1212 when I'm needing more volume and using the 15 when I have a smaller venue to deal with.

...or add a second HT115 -- I'd love to hear that.

 

[tombowlus]

Sorry Tom that's actually a mis-quote...I'm grabbing a HT115 from a TB'er. I didn't notice that until you posted this!

I apologize to everyone for the confusion. That's what I get for posting after just waking up.

Well, then, you still have an awesome cab coming your way!

 

[BurningSkies]

Well, then, you still have an awesome cab coming your way!

Thanks Tom!

I know everyone is sweet on the IP's right now. I may wait a bit and see what the eventual shake-out ends up looking like.

 

[Freddels]

I've been following this thread and I've been thinking about the Berg HT112's after hearing Ed Friedland play through his. I just went to the Bergantino website and realized that his shop is only 17 miles away from me. I really like supporting the local economy so . . . I may have to pull the trigger soon. I'd like to hear them with my iAmp 500 just to make sure though.

 

[BurningSkies]

I've been following this thread and I've been thinking about the Berg HT112's after hearing Ed Friedland play through his. I just went to the Bergantino website and realized that his shop is only 17 miles away from me. I really like supporting the local economy so . . . I may have to pull the trigger soon. I'd like to hear them with my iAmp 500 just to make sure though.

I've really come to like 12's. More booty than tens but nice and responsive. The only Berg I've really had a chance to check out personally is the one with two tens and a twelve...it sounded great...with a Hammond B-3 running through it! Didn't get to play it myself, though.

 

[winston]

I've been following this thread and I've been thinking about the Berg HT112's after hearing Ed Friedland play through his. I just went to the Bergantino website and realized that his shop is only 17 miles away from me. I really like supporting the local economy so . . . I may have to pull the trigger soon. I'd like to hear them with my iAmp 500 just to make sure though.

I love my two HT-112s, powered with either an iAmp800 or Eden WT-400. They don't have tons of low bass but they sound huge and take whatever I throw at them. I'm impressed by the IP112 I tried but can't justify the expense right now.

 

[emjazz]

I love my two HT-112s, powered with either an iAmp800 or Eden WT-400. They don't have tons of low bass but they sound huge and take whatever I throw at them. I'm impressed by the IP112 I tried but can't justify the expense right now.

The more power you put through the 112's the more bass you'll get. With a CA6 or 9 you'll get a great deal of low end.

 

[Dave]

...or add a second HT115 -- I'd love to hear that.

I too would love to hear a pair if those. One sounds awesome, so two should sound like the voice of angels, or something like that.

 

[BurningSkies]

I too would love to hear a pair if those. One sounds awesome, so two should sound like the voice of angels, or something like that.

If I really like the first one, I would certainly consider it.

The first bass cab I bought myself was a 3x15 cab.

Previous to that I had a vintage SVT/8x10 that I scammed from our local high school. I took it back to them only to realize they never missed it. Thats what I get for being honest.