New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

[KJung]

I found the Big Bang to be overly warm. Warm to the point of sounding unfocused, if I can say it that way. Not muddy, just unfocused. I found this underlying weird vibe going on with the overall sound no matter what I did with the EQ. It's like this new baked in warm/weird thing going on. My LMII never had that vibe. I will say that little sucker is powerful and LOUD...it's definitely got cojones.

I thought of the TH500, I've used one with my Baer in the past. I was a little worried that it might be too warm, and not clean/tight/punchy enough. And when I say punchy I mean throwing out a focused articulate note, even at higher volume. I guess tight/punchy can be the same thing to me. I could always order a TH500 from one of the big online retailers for a test drive and return it if need be. Part of my problem is I'm evolving and actually starting to find my own identity as a bass player, and I have the idea in my head, the sound I'm trying to hear, I just need to find the amp to help me get there. Bass I'm good, cab I'm good, I think.

I've never heard the Big Bang. Interesting. It is clear from the reviews that it sounds different than the LMIII. You might want to try an LMIII again. Since they upgraded to the full featured DI (versus the II), that head is pretty amazing for those wanting 'warm, even, clean' in a lightweight package. I feel it lines up VERY well with the Thunderfunk 750a at 4ohms. However, you don't have the ability to really punch up the low mids (not really necessary on the CN212 IMO(), and the LMIII is voiced a bit more 'open and even' than the very mid punchy TF heads IMO and IME.

I'd just get that thing out of a rack (if you have it in one), spring for the cabbage case, and get a good cart (like the kart-a-bag 600) where you can just set that head on the top of the cab and wheel 'er in. The TF750 is a GREAT head, and the EQ is quite impressive.

 

[Doug Parent]

I found the Big Bang to be overly warm. Warm to the point of sounding unfocused, if I can say it that way. Not muddy, just unfocused. I found this underlying weird vibe going on with the overall sound no matter what I did with the EQ. It's like this new baked in warm/weird thing going on.

Appreciate your commenting on this head, as it was one I was considering trying. Too bad, that was the thing I really liked about the F1/F500, the tight thick defined low end.

 

[Tugboat]

Appreciate your commenting on this head, as it was one I was considering trying. Too bad, that was the thing I really liked about the F1/F500, the tight thick defined low end.

Hey..don't take my word as gospel....I just heard what I heard. I spent two days in the same room with that head, CN212 and Fodera Emperor Standard. Tom Bowlus really liked how they worked together as far as he's mentioned so far. For me I could tell after 5 minutes the vibe wasn't for me; but I still spent time tweaking and fiddling and I never felt happy, so it wasn't for me. Someone else might love it.

 

[GRoberts]

Hey..don't take my word as gospel....I just heard what I heard. I spent two days in the same room with that head, CN212 and Fodera Emperor Standard. Tom Bowlus really liked how they worked together as far as he's mentioned so far. For me I could tell after 5 minutes the vibe wasn't for me; but I still spent time tweaking and fiddling and I never felt happy, so it wasn't for me. Someone else might love it.

What head was it you didn't like? Or was it the CN212? Just want to be clear. Got lost in the translation.

 

[blowinblue]

That Faital speaker with the Streamliner is a beautiful thing. Mix and match. The 3015HO boxes sound wonderful with that head also (even a touch better to me). I'm sure the Streamliner with the CN212 sounds great also. That Streamliner is quite a different thing than most other heads.

Of course, comparing at different volumes and not taking the time to dial in the EQ to optimally match to a given cab makes the comparison a little dicey, but for a Streamliner, my guess is it would be hard to beat that DB cab with that very nice speaker upgrade!

Agreed, Ken. A closer comparison could be made by tweaking the EQ and volume. That is an ongoing project. I'm diggin' the Berg. I was just surprised that the DB/Faital cab made such a good accounting of itself in comparison. I was expecting the opposite.

For example, the cost of a DB115 with that Faital speaker swap is probably pretty close to the CN212 (the DB cabs are pretty pricey).

You would be correct on that. The DB 115 was 734.00 new and the 15PR400 was 248.00 new delivered to my door for a grand total of 982.00. The CN 212 as we all know is 1250.00 delivered new (assuming your dealer is on the up-and-up).

M. M.

 

[Lia_G]

What head was it you didn't like? Or was it the CN212? Just want to be clear. Got lost in the translation.

Markbass Big Bang.

Liam

 

[GRoberts]

Markbass Big Bang.

Liam

Thanks Liam. Thought so, but wanted to be sure.

 

[Tunaman]

Also, hey tunaman. Hope you made it through recent events ok.

Appreciate that man, it was pretty damn wild. The scary part was that my bro in law was going to be a MIT cop before he got a 2nd job offer & took that... easily could have been him having that service today. I did have 2 friends at the medical tent a block off of the bombing so we had to ensure they didn't wander to the finish line

On a lighter note I kinda missed all the hoopla as the day after my wife & I had a baby boy so its been a crazy week.

Thanks for checking in.

On a Berg note, I've been doing some thinking today that if I wanted cab variety I imagine the AE212 would be tonally more different than the CN212 compared to the GK NEOs. Those cabs snarl like a bastard, no real warmth, I'd imagine if I wanted a "contrasting" tone the AE would be a better choice

 

[Tugboat]

Congrats on your son Tunaman!!!

 

[Virgil]

Congrats on your Son. My son just turned 1. He started walking last week.

 

[soxhats]

Awesome news on your son!

 

[monsterthompson]

Sub'd

 

[MrCool84]

Got to crank my svt7 pro and cn212 tues nite in a rock n roll funk country/bluegrass setting. Absolutely stellar. I've never heard my self so clearly/evenly in the mix before. From the low e all the way up the neck I heard every note perfectly. And didn't have to crAnk it like amps in the past to be heard or pluck super hard that my hand and fingers hurt. It let me concentrate more on my playing instead of tone or volume issues therefore making it a set of killer tunes. Def will not have an issue with parting with my 100t/610 neo to fund my wedding. This will be my rig for years to come (except a sm9.2 sometime after the I do's thanks mr bergantino!!

 

[Holdsg]

congratulations on the baby, Tunaman. Glad the madness has passed.

 

[tombowlus]

congratulations on the baby, Tunaman. Glad the madness has passed.

+1 Grats! Fatherhood is the best!

 

[Virgil]

Tonight I took one of my CN 112's to a rehearsal. I used my TecAmp Black Jag 900. I played my MTD AG 5. That little cab sounded awesome. We played from rock to jazz and my EQ adjustments were heard as clear as a bell. They still have not completely opened up, but they are killer little cabs. I am happy that I went the modular route. Very easy in and out, and it fit perfectly in the back seat of my Volvo.

 

[stickybass4]

Got to crank my svt7 pro and cn212 tues nite in a rock n roll funk country/bluegrass setting. Absolutely stellar. I've never heard my self so clearly/evenly in the mix before. From the low e all the way up the neck I heard every note perfectly. And didn't have to crAnk it like amps in the past to be heard or pluck super hard that my hand and fingers hurt. It let me concentrate more on my playing instead of tone or volume issues therefore making it a set of killer tunes. Def will not have an issue with parting with my 100t/610 neo to fund my wedding. This will be my rig for years to come (except a sm9.2 sometime after the I do's thanks mr bergantino!!

Great to hear - the CN212 really did a better job than the 610??

 

[MrCool84]

Great to hear - the CN212 really did a better job than the 610??

In clarity and punch.... Oh hell yea. But in sheer volume the 610 wins. Still love the 100t and 610 of course. Update.... My fiancé told me not to sell my fender rig!!! We had a Lil buzz on last night but she said "let's just get our passports and run off to get married!" Wow....we will see what happens

 

[blowinblue]

It's the latest episode in the ongoing cab-mance with my CN 212. Possibly you've been following my recent posts in this thread regarding using this cab at rehearsals in my home. Well, last evening in an effort to impress my bandmates (and myself) I switched out the Streamliner 600 for my TH500 musing that the tighter, mid-forward character of the Aggie combined with the Berg would make this pairing sound better in the mix than my Streamliner/DB 115/15PR400 rig. No cigar.

The guys in the band preferred the DB 115 by a considerable margin and I have to agree. Even though I stand very close to the cabs the DB had better note definition at ear level. Maybe I've created a freakish monster of tone with this DB/Faital combo. Don't get me wrong...there's a lot to like about the CN. I just continue to be surprised by all of this. Next rehearsal I'm gonna try the TH500 with my GS 212. Now if that pairing sounds superior to the Berg the cab-mance just might be over. LOL.

M. M.

 

[GRoberts]

It's the latest episode in the ongoing cab-mance with my CN 212. Possibly you've been following my recent posts in this thread regarding using this cab at rehearsals in my home. Well, last evening in an effort to impress my bandmates (and myself) I switched out the Streamliner 600 for my TH500 musing that the tighter, mid-forward character of the Aggie combined with the Berg would make this pairing sound better in the mix than my Streamliner/DB 115/15PR400 rig. No cigar.

The guys in the band preferred the DB 115 by a considerable margin and I have to agree. Even though I stand very close to the cabs the DB had better note definition at ear level. Maybe I've created a freakish monster of tone with this DB/Faital combo. Don't get me wrong...there's a lot to like about the CN. I just continue to be surprised by all of this. Next rehearsal I'm gonna try the TH500 with my GS 212. Now if that pairing sounds superior to the Berg the cab-mance just might be over. LOL.

M. M.

What kind of music do you play, what kind of bass, what volume level and what tonal references can you give? Preferences may be largely dependent on all those things. I don't doubt you at all, just trying to put a frame of reference around it.

PS: The TH500/CN212 sure LOOOKS Cool!!!