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New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

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#201
GRoberts said:
What kind of music do you play, what kind of bass, what volume level and what tonal references can you give? Preferences may be largely dependent on all those things. I don't doubt you at all, just trying to put a frame of reference around it.

PS: The TH500/CN212 sure LOOOKS Cool!!!
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Your questions are valid. No doubt all this may change at different volume levels and venues. Our rehearsal volumes approximate a wine bar. Bass is a Stambaugh ODB 5 strung with Sadowsky flats. Music is Blues-rock. We do a lot of Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robben Ford, Gary Moore, Robert Lucas tunes. And some originals in that vein. The tone I go for is warm, fat, even up and down the fingerboard, and clear. And sometimes a bit of grind.

Part of the problem may be that I'm so satisfied with the various tones of the cabs I already own that it's difficult to accept something new. So I will wisely be giving the Berg lots and lots of time to win me over. :)

M. M.
 
#202
blowinblue said:
Your questions are valid. No doubt all this may change at different volume levels and venues. Our rehearsal volumes approximate a wine bar. Bass is a Stambaugh ODB 5 strung with Sadowsky flats. Music is Blues-rock. We do a lot of Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robben Ford, Gary Moore, Robert Lucas tunes. And some originals in that vein. The tone I go for is warm, fat, even up and down the fingerboard, and clear. And sometimes a bit of grind.

Part of the problem may be that I'm so satisfied with the various tones of the cabs I already own that it's difficult to accept something new. So I will wisely be giving the Berg lots and lots of time to win me over. :)

M. M.
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Thanks M.M.! Nice bass, cool material. I'm sure you get great tone for that music from the DB115/Faital etc. All good my friend!
 
#203
I decided to go with a Genz NX2-212T instead of the CN212. Got a smoking deal on it too! Will try it tonight with the band and over the weekend. These cabs have Faital drivers, and I'm curious to know the tech specs on them, especially in regards to Xmax. I emailed GB tech to find out more, and downloaded Faital's catalog, but I don't know if Genz's custom driver is very close to one of their stock ones. The CN sounded great though! But with the pricing and no discounting possible, it did make it easier to choose the way I did. Wish I could review the two back to back for you guys!
 
#204
blowinblue said:
Your questions are valid. No doubt all this may change at different volume levels and venues. Our rehearsal volumes approximate a wine bar. Bass is a Stambaugh ODB 5 strung with Sadowsky flats. Music is Blues-rock. We do a lot of Stevie Ray Vaughan, Robben Ford, Gary Moore, Robert Lucas tunes. And some originals in that vein. The tone I go for is warm, fat, even up and down the fingerboard, and clear. And sometimes a bit of grind.

Part of the problem may be that I'm so satisfied with the various tones of the cabs I already own that it's difficult to accept something new. So I will wisely be giving the Berg lots and lots of time to win me over. :)

M. M.
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What you need is an nv156 to try out
:D very curious to hear your gs212 results.

How much did the speaker swap change the db115?
 
#205
pickles said:
What you need is an nv156 to try out
:D very curious to hear your gs212 results.

How much did the speaker swap change the db115?
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Actually, I'm waiting for the Baer ML-115 to start shipping. :D

I'm also anxious to hear the TH500/GS 212 results. I've spent time playing the two together but not yet in a rehearsal or gig setting.

The speaker swap in the DB 115 was a major improvement, IMHO. It took a very good cab and made it absolutely great. Besides the fact that I chose a 4 ohm speaker to get the most out of my modestly powered heads, it seems to be noticeably more efficient than the proprietary Aggie that was in it. Tone-wise the Faital seems to be more open and less hooded, less nasal. It seems to extend upward a bit more and the deep bass might be a touch better. That DB/Faital will be with me for a very long time. Of course, it's only a single 15". I never ask it to do more than it's capable of.

M. M. :)
 
#207
Gigged my TH500 and CN212 last night for the first time. My band mates thought the "light weight" rig would sound like a transistor radio. Now they are wondering when the guitar world will catch up with bass technology. I have to say this is the best sounding rig I have ever played and I have played a lot of high-end gear. I used my NYC Sadowsky P/J five, ran most everything at 12 o'clock with the treble boosted to about 2 o'clock. It cut through 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 set ups and drums without breaking a sweat. This is really my dream set up- light weight and killer tone and all the volume I'll need.
 
#209
Bassmanbob said:
Hmmm. All this talk about the TH500 with the CN212 has me thinking. I'm currently running the CN212 with a ShuttleMax 9.2. I'd ask what the difference was between the SM9.2 and the TH500 but I'm sure that's been done before.

Then again... maybe I just asked.
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They use the same power module, so max volume is about the same (I think the Genz gets a bit more max volume via their sophisticated power management, but it isn't massive (I've owned both heads).

VERY different tonality. The Max 9.2 is much tighter down low (that high 'hi passing), and is much cleaner and brighter in the upper mids, with more absolute treble extension. I describe the Max as a 'modern' head. Yes, you can push the tube channel, but that isn't really what it is about. Great head for those looking primary for punchy, clean, bright, and, well... a bit 'modern'.

The Aguilar TH500 is fatter in the lows and low mids (even wen the Genz EQ is boosted down there), it MUCH more relaxed up top (not bright at all), and does not really do a lot of modern sparkle up to. It is more of a 'meat and potatoes' sort of 'supportive sound', and has more capability for grindy/grunty midrange, all the way through full distortion, grind. Very small, very lightweight. I describe is sometimes as a much punchier Streamliner (i.e., it is tubey and old school like the Streamliner, but more in the 'grinding through a sealed muti-10 box' versus the Streamliners more open 'through a dual 15" loaded box' vibe, if that makes any sense.

Both sound wonderful with the CN212, and quite different. The TH500 is my 'head of choice' with the CN212 for my passive P Bass.
 
#210
If anyone is looking for a Berg CN212 cover. I have one for sale brand new still in the box original from Jim.
 

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#211
Chazinroch said:
Gigged my TH500 and CN212 last night for the first time. My band mates thought the "light weight" rig would sound like a transistor radio. Now they are wondering when the guitar world will catch up with bass technology. I have to say this is the best sounding rig I have ever played and I have played a lot of high-end gear. I used my NYC Sadowsky P/J five, ran most everything at 12 o'clock with the treble boosted to about 2 o'clock. It cut through 2 Mesa Boogie 2X12 set ups and drums without breaking a sweat. This is really my dream set up- light weight and killer tone and all the volume I'll need.
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I am looking forward to trying out this pairing, as well. Coming up on May 3rd I'll be subbing with a local classic rock band and plan to give these two a workout. My Streamliner 600 will also get to strut its stuff for one set. This should be fun.

P.S. I hope my Aguilar cabinets don't get in a funk because they're not being invited to the gig.

M. M. :)
 
#212
KJung said:
They use the same power module, so max volume is about the same (I think the Genz gets a bit more max volume via their sophisticated power management, but it isn't massive (I've owned both heads).

VERY different tonality. The Max 9.2 is much tighter down low (that high 'hi passing), and is much cleaner and brighter in the upper mids, with more absolute treble extension. I describe the Max as a 'modern' head. Yes, you can push the tube channel, but that isn't really what it is about. Great head for those looking primary for punchy, clean, bright, and, well... a bit 'modern'.

The Aguilar TH500 is fatter in the lows and low mids (even wen the Genz EQ is boosted down there), it MUCH more relaxed up top (not bright at all), and does not really do a lot of modern sparkle up to. It is more of a 'meat and potatoes' sort of 'supportive sound', and has more capability for grindy/grunty midrange, all the way through full distortion, grind. Very small, very lightweight. I describe is sometimes as a much punchier Streamliner (i.e., it is tubey and old school like the Streamliner, but more in the 'grinding through a sealed muti-10 box' versus the Streamliners more open 'through a dual 15" loaded box' vibe, if that makes any sense.

Both sound wonderful with the CN212, and quite different. The TH500 is my 'head of choice' with the CN212 for my passive P Bass.
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Thank you very much. I play CB Basses with Aggie preamps and a Roscoe. So I'm active rather than passive.

Maybe I'll get a TH500, test them side by side and sell one. I have to say that the ShuttleMax 9.2 With the Eden XLT-410 was more open in the lows than the Eden Metro was with the XLT-410.
 
#213
Last night I played a very high end gig with my 12 piece band. I took one Bergantino CN 112 and my TecAmp Black Jag 900. This little compact, light weight rig was smoking. We played a two hour dance set, and the cab handled my B string like a champ. That CN 112 is a tough little cookie.
 
#215
Spfairchild said:
I decided to go with a Genz NX2-212T instead of the CN212. Got a smoking deal on it too! Will try it tonight with the band and over the weekend. These cabs have Faital drivers, and I'm curious to know the tech specs on them, especially in regards to Xmax. I emailed GB tech to find out more, and downloaded Faital's catalog, but I don't know if Genz's custom driver is very close to one of their stock ones. The CN sounded great though! But with the pricing and no discounting possible, it did make it easier to choose the way I did. Wish I could review the two back to back for you guys!
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I'm considering the GK Neo-II 212 & GB NX2-212T on lower end price and the Xsonics 212CF & Berg CN212 on the upper priced end. So you did play thru a CN212 before you bought the NX2; like to hear your thoughts. But please start a new thread with your opinions of these cabs so it won't get lost in this big CN cabs thread. BTW, I use a GB NeoX 212T and wondered if the NX2 is different enough to get that cab. Looking forward to your NX2 results in new thread. :smug: Peace, ernie
 
#216
The solid state channel on the Eden is the best tone I have ever gotten. Yes, the lows are controlled on that head, but not absent in any way.

Bassmanbob said:
Thank you very much. I play CB Basses with Aggie preamps and a Roscoe. So I'm active rather than passive.

Maybe I'll get a TH500, test them side by side and sell one. I have to say that the ShuttleMax 9.2 With the Eden XLT-410 was more open in the lows than the Eden Metro was with the XLT-410.
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#217
This will likely be my last post in this thread as I don't want to derail it anymore, but I've had a couple PMs requesting more info on the Genz NX2 I bought in place of the Berg and how the two relate. ErnieD, you had asked for a new thread on the matter, but to be honest as I don't own both, I wouldn't feel comfortable comparing the two in a meaningful way, so I won't be starting a thread of my own on the subject. I'm happy to answer Qs via PM, as I did for one other forum participant, though. I will say only that both cabs seemed very capable, both of fairly extreme lows and high volumes when I played them in the store, and that's mainly what I was looking for - in conjunction with being able to be EQ'd to sound as I'd like it. Neither one had the perfect baked in sound, but I was able to get there with EQ on both. The Berg is a great cab, for those with the budget for it. Had I been able to get that one, I'm sure I would have been pleased! As it is, I'm pleased now with the NX2, and it's similar in weight, footprint/overall size, and capability.

That's all - now back to your regularly scheduled programming!
 
#218
I gave serious consideration to the NX2-212T but the placement of the handles was an absolute deal breaker, at least for me and the way I carry cabs. The placement of the handles on the CN 212 is pert near perfect. Handle placement and style may not seem like a big deal but ya gotta carry and lift these things, people.

M. M. :)
 
#219
As I find my NeoX 212T cabs the easiest to move/load from all my cabs. I lift it by the ears, put my knee its back and load it into back of my truck or suv. The built in casters help me position it in back of either vehicle.

But I always use my folding cart to move it once its' unloaded. So I don't hassle with pushing/pulling it around on its' casters. I do set cart aside and use the casters to manuver it at the stage/setup area. The low weight just makes it even easier.

Well I hadda start somewhere so I just ordered a new NX2-212T cab online. I kinda went with what I know to see what those Faitals will do in this cab. The lighter weight of the NX2 to my older NeoX is just icing. We'll see how it goes at a few gigs in May. Using either a STM-900 or Shuttle 9.2 with the Aggie effects pre into the effects return for a sorta 900 watt Aggie head.

But still keeping my eye on the CN212 threads. Called a Houston store last week and they told me they've stopped carrying Bergantino. I was gona drop in if they had the CN line. They only had a used HT322.

Wow, not sure anywhere else in Houston area that was a Berg authorized seller but them.
 
#220
ErnieD said:
As I find my NeoX 212T cabs the easiest to move/load from all my cabs. I lift it by the ears, put my knee its back and load it into back of my truck or suv. The built in casters help me position it in back of either vehicle.

But I always use my folding cart to move it once its' unloaded. So I don't hassle with pushing/pulling it around on its' casters. I do set cart aside and use the casters to manuver it at the stage/setup area. The low weight just makes it even easier.

Well I hadda start somewhere so I just ordered a new NX2-212T cab online. I kinda went with what I know to see what those Faitals will do in this cab. The lighter weight of the NX2 to my older NeoX is just icing. We'll see how it goes at a few gigs in May. Using either a STM-900 or Shuttle 9.2 with the Aggie effects pre into the effects return for a sorta 900 watt Aggie head.

But still keeping my eye on the CN212 threads. Called a Houston store last week and they told me they've stopped carrying Bergantino. I was gona drop in if they had the CN line. They only had a used HT322.

Wow, not sure anywhere else in Houston area that was a Berg authorized seller but them.
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I am also intrigued by the NX2-212 from Genz, and it is not just a financial consideration.

It is between the Genz and the new Berg CN212. Both I think are available at the moment from BD in the UK, and I unfortunately cannot go down and test drive these, (long hours at work, long drive).

I just want a cab that has excellent build quality, is farily light, and will handle (with careful use) a SMax 9.2 or Streamliner 900. Handle placement, etc, isn't really an issue.

I just want the right tone, out of the box. E.g., for me, it needs to shine in the low mids and be able to add sparkle with the tweet if necessary. I don't really mind if it doesn't pound in the lower bass...that isn't really my thing. I prefer a nice tight punchy low mid kick, with plenty of detail for the basses I have that like that tone.
 
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