I have not heard the Thunderchild212, but it seems from reports it is quite similar to the TC115, with a bit higher output. I would guess the top end is virtually identical.
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New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2
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I have not heard the Thunderchild212, but it seems from reports it is quite similar to the TC115, with a bit higher output. I would guess the top end is virtually identical.
I have a hard time playing anything else at this point (at least with the mighty passive 5 string P bass)! Really nice match... stupid loud, stupid light, and an unusual combination IMO of both 'big sounding and punchy'.
The CN212 is MUCH closer to the DB voicing than the very wide, relaxed, modern sounding AE212 to my ear.
The AE212 extends lower, doesn't have much of a low mid bump, and has a very even, relaxed upper mid response, with just a touch of a dip to my ear that lets the upper treble of the tweeter really shine (i.e., to not be masked).
The CN212 (to my ear) has a low end that does not extend quite as deep, has a bit more 'meat' to the low end (meaning a bit of upper bass/lower mid bump), and a VERY even mid mid and upper midrange response that makes the tweeter sound more integrated and 'organic'.
The DB, as posted above, is more about the mid mids, and does not quite have the range of the CN212 to my ear. However, definitely in the same tone universe (at least the 2 x DB112, which is what I owned a while back).
As a data point, here again is my short comparison clip of the AE212, the CN212, and the Thunderchild TC115.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3Md1FV4fUI&feature=player_detailpage
As an oversimplification, the CN212 is a more powerful, more even DB212, and the AE212 is more powerful, more even GS212 (putting this in Aguilar terms).
Just like the DB112's, the CN212 is magic with the TH500!IMO!
Wow. I don't know what to say.
I just A/B'd my AE212 & HD112 against my (2) Schroeder 15+L's this weekend. The Schro's have a nice cutting mid and upper end; so, they can be pretty useful. But, compared to the AE212 and the HD112, really no comparison in the lower mids and lows. Night and Day difference, and most would notice it. the Berg's are a whole 'nother thing in terms of range balance.
I actually like the Schro's for upright bass, where the low end on a lot of cabs can get a little over bearing. The 15+L's produce a nice balanced growly sound, perfect for me for upright.
Electric bass needs a little more low end help. The Berg's are a little better fit there for me.
Also, playing around with the separate cabs, I have noticed that, at least between the HD and AE cabs, a lot of similarities can be achieved by properly adjusting the tweeters. Ken's video is VERY accurate and informative; but, he just didn't have the time to show what happens when you mess with the tweeter levels while adjusting overall volumes. Anyhow, the different Berg cabs do have different voicings; but all useful and submit well to a bit of tweaking. Great gear.
We do hear things completely differently for the most part. Again, if you listen to the comparison clip of the AE212 and CN212, you should be able to hear what I'm talking about if you have decent phones.
No matter how you describe tone, you can definitely hear the difference in kens comparison video. For me, the cn would be the best of the bunch, for my needs.
Yeah, if I remember correctly, the TC115 crosses over a bit lower than the TC112, not sure about the TC212, but if it is at a different frequency, that would be another (probably) small tonal difference between the 115 & 212.
I need to check them out.
Bowlus, do you have the ThunderChild 212?
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Hey Ken, what kind of differences would you say stand out between using the AE410 with the TH500 from the CN212 with the TH500? I own an AE410 and have just ordered a TH500.
Thanks, and appreciate all your research & info!
J
Sticky, what kind of bass are you using too? That might help clarify how the TH500 plays with the AE410. Different on a P Bass than a Jazz bass to some degree. Best guess.
Hey Guys,
Looking to get a cover for my on-the-way CN212. Debating the whole padded vs. non-padded thing. My DB212 has a non-padded cover, and I think it has done a fine job. No rips in the tolex, and it has been on several trips in a trailer, loaded in and out of the back of my truck, etc. I feel like the padded covers also take up a lot of space when they are not on the cab.
Thinking about getting a Vinyl cover from Tuki. Any thoughts on the padded vs non-padded vs Vinyl? What are you guys using?
On a side note... and I hope I'm not out of line here, but Tuki has not done a cover for the CN212 yet, so they don't have measurements. Same with LeCover I believe. Anyone with some free time and a tape measure care to help a brother out and work up the dimensions, cut outs for handles, etc that I could send to Tuki? If not, I completely understand and will probably just wait for my CN to arrive and then order the cover.
Thanks!
Looking to get a cover for my on-the-way CN212. Debating the whole padded vs. non-padded thing. My DB212 has a non-padded cover, and I think it has done a fine job. No rips in the tolex, and it has been on several trips in a trailer, loaded in and out of the back of my truck, etc. I feel like the padded covers also take up a lot of space when they are not on the cab.
Thinking about getting a Vinyl cover from Tuki. Any thoughts on the padded vs non-padded vs Vinyl? What are you guys using?
On a side note... and I hope I'm not out of line here, but Tuki has not done a cover for the CN212 yet, so they don't have measurements. Same with LeCover I believe. Anyone with some free time and a tape measure care to help a brother out and work up the dimensions, cut outs for handles, etc that I could send to Tuki? If not, I completely understand and will probably just wait for my CN to arrive and then order the cover.
Thanks!
I am not familiar with Tuki or LeCover, but the cover guy I have used for Berg and Genz-Benz cabs in the past is http://www.d2fcovers.com/ and I heartily recommend them.
He's done one for an AE212, because he has it listed on his website. cost is $95. not cheap, but I have been very happy with mine.
They will send you a template to assist you to measure correctly, including the cut-outs.
He's done one for an AE212, because he has it listed on his website. cost is $95. not cheap, but I have been very happy with mine.
They will send you a template to assist you to measure correctly, including the cut-outs.
Thanks for the recommendation. I am checking them out right now. LeCover also has the AE212, but I believe the CN has slightly different dimensions.
BTW,, I love the color options on the D2F web page!
Hey. My main bass is an American Spector NS-2J (bolt-on) with EMG JJ and an Aguilar OBP-3 pre.
It is a really punchy bass with great growl.
I also have a small collection of NS-2's but they rarely come out since I picked up my NS-2J.
I am currently using my MB SA450 with the AE410, or my DB750 with a Sadowsky SA410 - I wanted to try to get more of that organic DB750 thing in a lighter package!
My intention is to get a CN212, but would like to know if anyone has a/b'd the 2 cabs (AE410/CN212) with the TH500.
Thanks,
John
Personally, I think you are over thinking this. I have the Bergantino cover made for the CN-212. When I get to the gig, I remove it from the cab, fold it up and tuck it in somewhere. Just follow the partial creases already made when the cover is shipped to you. When I got my cab and cover, they were shipped in separate boxes. As would be expected, the cover's box was considerably smaller than the cabinet's box, so the cover was folded.
Just my $0.02
Go padded by all means, it's very cheap insurance. The difference in price between the two should make it an easy choice. Look at it this way, it's a $1200 cabinet. Isn't it worth an extra $50 to keep it protected. I have owned several Tuki covers over the years, and a few from LeCover as well. They are all really well made products. One of them probably makes the covers for Bergantino. With that said, the custom padded cover for the CN212 from Bergantino is just plain sexy! [Invalid or Expired Link Removed]
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