New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

[KJung]

The Bass and Beyond comparo does show different tone between the CN 212 and the 112 stack. In that video the stack seemed a littler more together. However, also agree with Ken that the little extra oomph in the 212 can be good. In the B&B vid, not so much. Maybe vids can be deceiving.

I was more commenting on the schlep and footprint. A 212 vs. 112 x 2 or 2 x 210 vs. 410 within the same cab line will always sound a smidge different.

I found my AE410 to have more balls and punch than the 2 x AE210(A) stack. But, the 2 x AE210 stack articulated a bit better due to not quite the deep low end. I could have been happy with both, and nudge of EQ brought them very close.

 

[Quackhead]

I've seen 4 and 5 piece bands play on a "little corner of the stage" like that...

I gigged a 310UL for quite a few years back in the day. For the time, it was 'top of the line'. Things have come a long way since then!

Had yet another wonderful weekend with the CN212 and the TH500 and Nordy. I usually don't bother with gig pictures (usually not thinking about this stuff when I'm getting ready to play), but I played a very large gig with a wonderful, massive front of house system on Saturday night. Good band, GREAT sound. Here is the rig and Nordy in my little corner of the stage, ready to go! Sounded great on stage!

 

[Musicman20]

Is there anything that performs and sounds like an Aguilar DB212/112?

On our constant quest for new gear, we come across certain amps/cabs that we class as our ‘reference’ to what tone we seek.

I tried Aguilar cabs about 3 years ago. I was instantly sold on the DB 12 cabs. I initially bought two DB212s (8 ohm)...it was a stunning setup. I chose Chocolate Thunder and I have never seen such a great looking set of cabs.

Later, I realised the two DB212s were a little overkill, (although now I wish I’d just kept em) and I sold them and bought one 4 ohm DB212 in Classic Black. Again, the quality and aesthetics are just fantastic.

I’ve recently thought about a more vertically 2x12, perhaps a tad lighter. The DB212 is going NOWHERE, but I am interested in trying a few different lighter cabs.

My only thoughts are, what happens if I don’t like it as much as the DB212?!

Last night, I plugged in my Ray 4 HH with my DB212 and swapped between the Genz SMax 9.2 and the Genz Streamliner 900.

This cab just kills. Perfect balance of very punchy low mids and ‘meat’/kick to the lower strings, a low end heft (although not too much) and a very nice treble extension available with the tweet, (usually no more than 1/3 or ½).

It takes it all. Fast fingerstyle just pumps out with excellent clarity, the slap just slams....especially on the lower notes...(the low mids just seem to kick like crazy). Switching to a plectrum, you get none of that thin character that sometimes comes out with new strings and heavy picking.

I’ve been thinking about the Berg CN212 and the Genz NX2 212T....

It needs to be higher output than the DB212...if that is possible, with a similar low mid slam and plenty of detail in the mids overall. I am NOT looking for a HUGE low end. That really isn’t my thing or tone at all. I do play with mainly 5s, but 4s as well, so needs to be a good all rounder!

I know, I know, the Baer might do it, but I have realised I usually DO like the treble of a tweet for detail...especially on my Musicman basses.

The CN212 isn’t a cheap cab, so it has to be more than just lightweight, it has to kill! I don’t mind investing if its going to be top notch.

Your thoughts would be great.

 

[McFarlin]

Is there anything that performs and sounds like an Aguilar DB212/112?

If you enter DB212 in "search this thread" on Pt. 1 and Pt. 2, you should see several helpful posts (claiming a similar tone w/ DB212 & CN212).

 

[GRoberts]

I agree video's do not always translate aspects such as punch, touch sensitivity, SPL, or other qualities that testing in-person would otherwise reveal. The Bass and Beyond video's were great but as Ken said, you can usually use EQ to equalize and minimize differences.

I also agree the idea of a single cab that does it all is preferable since the footprint is the same, the taller cab always gets the the sound closer to my ears, puts the amp higher to make adjustments, and usually has a little more built-in punch when called upon. The CN212 will most likely turn-down and sound great for small/low volume gigs. and it costs a LOT less $$ than a pair of CN112's. I just don't see a downside to the CN212. ...soon enough I will have my own I am sure.

 

[hennessybass]

Is there anything that performs and sounds like an Aguilar DB212/112?

On our constant quest for new gear, we come across certain amps/cabs that we class as our ‘reference’ to what tone we seek.

I tried Aguilar cabs about 3 years ago. I was instantly sold on the DB 12 cabs. I initially bought two DB212s (8 ohm)...it was a stunning setup. I chose Chocolate Thunder and I have never seen such a great looking set of cabs.

Later, I realised the two DB212s were a little overkill, (although now I wish I’d just kept em) and I sold them and bought one 4 ohm DB212 in Classic Black. Again, the quality and aesthetics are just fantastic.

I’ve recently thought about a more vertically 2x12, perhaps a tad lighter. The DB212 is going NOWHERE, but I am interested in trying a few different lighter cabs.

My only thoughts are, what happens if I don’t like it as much as the DB212?!

Last night, I plugged in my Ray 4 HH with my DB212 and swapped between the Genz SMax 9.2 and the Genz Streamliner 900.

This cab just kills. Perfect balance of very punchy low mids and ‘meat’/kick to the lower strings, a low end heft (although not too much) and a very nice treble extension available with the tweet, (usually no more than 1/3 or ½).

It takes it all. Fast fingerstyle just pumps out with excellent clarity, the slap just slams....especially on the lower notes...(the low mids just seem to kick like crazy). Switching to a plectrum, you get none of that thin character that sometimes comes out with new strings and heavy picking.

I’ve been thinking about the Berg CN212 and the Genz NX2 212T....

It needs to be higher output than the DB212...if that is possible, with a similar low mid slam and plenty of detail in the mids overall. I am NOT looking for a HUGE low end. That really isn’t my thing or tone at all. I do play with mainly 5s, but 4s as well, so needs to be a good all rounder!

I know, I know, the Baer might do it, but I have realised I usually DO like the treble of a tweet for detail...especially on my Musicman basses.

The CN212 isn’t a cheap cab, so it has to be more than just lightweight, it has to kill! I don’t mind investing if its going to be top notch.

Your thoughts would be great.

Pretty much where I am at. I have been playing a DB212 for about a year and a half. Love it, but don't love the schlep. Have a CN212 on the way, and really looking forward to comparing the two.

I have the DB212 up for sale, but a little nervous about selling it because it is such a great cab. I am trying to convince myself that the DB and CN will be similar enough, and the CN to be light enough, that it is worth getting rid of the DB. Plus I am gassing for a couple of 15s.

We shall see.

 

[Quackhead]

True a CN212 costs less than a pair of CN112s, but if $1170 is out of your budget, there's nothing wrong with grabbing a CN112 to start your collection.

I agree video's do not always translate aspects such as punch, touch sensitivity, SPL, or other qualities that testing in-person would otherwise reveal. The Bass and Beyond video's were great but as Ken said, you can usually use EQ to equalize and minimize differences.

I also agree the idea of a single cab that does it all is preferable since the footprint is the same, the taller cab always gets the the sound closer to my ears, puts the amp higher to make adjustments, and usually has a little more built-in punch when called upon. The CN212 will most likely turn-down and sound great for small/low volume gigs. and it costs a LOT less $$ than a pair of CN112's. I just don't see a downside to the CN212. ...soon enough I will have my own I am sure.

 

[GRoberts]

True a CN212 costs less than a pair of CN112s, but if $1170 is out of your budget, there's nothing wrong with grabbing a CN112 to start your collection.

Most interesting point indeed! Well said!

 

[ted burik]

Precisely what I did, Quackhead! I added a single CN112 to one of my AE112 cabs and the sound is magnificent. The CN112 very nicely fills in some sonic gaps present in the AE112 and just warms up the sound of my instruments, both electric and upright basses. It's an awesome combo and light weight to boot.

It would be really great to have at least two CN cabs. If you all haven't already seen this, I'm right now offering up a Rob Allen MB-2 5 string fretless for a trade deal on a
CN112 or CN212-here's the thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f126/fs-rob-allen-mb-2-5-string-unlined-fretless-971767/

 

[Quackhead]

I am in exactly that position. I'd love a CN212, but with only about $1,000 total budget for an amp and cabinet (+/- $100 with a little fudge), I can't afford one. I may grab a CN112 or an HD112. I haven't tried the CN series, so I'll wait until I do before deciding. For an amp I am going to try to find a used Carvin B1500 for around $400. That seems to be close to what they are going for these days. If I get the B1500 and a CN112, the amp will weigh more than the cabinet!

 

[Quackhead]

Dude, don't tempt me to commit crimes to get the money for that bass. That is a heck of a deal on a very sweet instrument.

Precisely what I did, Quackhead! I added a single CN112 to one of my AE112 cabs and the sound is magnificent. The CN112 very nicely fills in some sonic gaps present in the AE112 and just warms up the sound of my instruments, both electric and upright basses. It's an awesome combo and light weight to boot.

It would be really great to have at least two CN cabs. If you all haven't already seen this, I'm right now offering up a Rob Allen MB-2 5 string fretless for a trade deal on a
CN112 or CN212-here's the thread:

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f126/fs-rob-allen-mb-2-5-string-unlined-fretless-971767/

 

[ted burik]

Yes, indeed, crimes of the heart seem the passion of the day around here! That's why I own one too many basses, amps, and cabs.

 

[Quackhead]

I have been lusting for a Rob Allen for a long time. But being unemployed for the better part of 4 years is not conducive to owning high-end instruments. :scowl:

Yes, indeed, crimes of the heart seem the passion of the day around here! That's why I own one too many basses, amps, and cabs.

 

[ted burik]

Yikes! Don't like to hear that and sincerely hope things improve on the work front for you, Quackhead.

 

[KJung]

As one who has owned and loved the DB112 x 2 stack, those Aguilar lovers who buy a CN212 will be very happy with the tone and REALLY happy with the schlep!

 

[Quackhead]

Thanks.

Yikes! Don't like to hear that and sincerely hope things improve on the work front for you, Quackhead.

 

[Virgil]

All you have to do is turn it down. The footprint is exactly the same between a CN212 and a CN112 And, once you get a good cart, the schlep is identical also!

Again, pure IMO there... no wrong or right answer. I find a single larger cab that can handle any gig as the simplest, most cost effective solution (and you usually get just a smidge more wump with the single larger cab versus two small ones coupled. For others, the ability to bring a very small cab to a small gig is worth the expense and the added complication of hauling and connecting two cabs, having two covers, two speaker cables, etc.

I guess that is why Jim offers both solutions!

The point that I was trying to make was that carrying one CN 112, when that's all I needed for the gig made my job so much easier. Trust me, at the end of the night, carrying a 27 pound cab, versus a 48 pounder, makes a difference, especially if you have a bad back. By the way, one CN can produce a lot of volume, and still sound great. I am finding that 2x12 is overkill for many of my gigs. To get the tone closer to my ear, I use a wedge that angles the cab upward. Works like a charm. I do understand that everybody has there preferences, but the modular rig really works for me.

 

[blowinblue]

In the two CN112 vs. one CN212 part of the discussion no one has mentioned the biggest advantage of going with just a CN212. You only have to put up with one of those pesky things that are commonly referred to as tweeters. For those of us with a 'one tweeter per rig rule' the choice is obvious.

M. M.

 

[Lia_G]

In the two CN112 vs. one CN212 part of the discussion no one has mentioned the biggest advantage of going with just a CN212. You only have to put up with one of those pesky things that are commonly referred to as tweeters. For those of us with a 'one tweeter per rig rule' the choice is obvious.

M. M.

Is there not an attenuator on the cn112? Easy enough to turn one off, unless I'm missing something?

Liam

 

[hennessybass]

Is there not an attenuator on the cn112? Easy enough to turn one off, unless I'm missing something?

Liam

Some people just don't dig on tweeters so much