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New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

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Hey Guys,

Looking to get a cover for my on-the-way CN212. Debating the whole padded vs. non-padded thing. My DB212 has a non-padded cover, and I think it has done a fine job. No rips in the tolex, and it has been on several trips in a trailer, loaded in and out of the back of my truck, etc. I feel like the padded covers also take up a lot of space when they are not on the cab.

Thinking about getting a Vinyl cover from Tuki. Any thoughts on the padded vs non-padded vs Vinyl? What are you guys using?

On a side note... and I hope I'm not out of line here, but Tuki has not done a cover for the CN212 yet, so they don't have measurements. Same with LeCover I believe. Anyone with some free time and a tape measure care to help a brother out and work up the dimensions, cut outs for handles, etc that I could send to Tuki? If not, I completely understand and will probably just wait for my CN to arrive and then order the cover.

Thanks!

LeCover makes the covers for Jim Bergantino. He will not make you a cover with Bergantino written on it, but he will make one with his name on it. Also, somebody in this thread is selling one for that cab.
 
Hi guys! I have a berg question and thought this was a good place to ask. I DID NOT do any searches for this because I figured it was too specific for me to find in a reasonable amount of time. That being said, if this has been covered, my bad. :)

I have a HD212 and I am planning on purchasing a second very soon. What are my options for stacking these bad boys? I assuming a vertical stack will be optimal, but I am afraid of putting a heavy head on these vertically stacked due to the dimensions of the cabs. SO, may I sit them side by side? May I sit them sideways but vertically stacked? Pros and cons?

Thanks
Jason
 
Played my 112 at my gig last night. At the end of the night, my (inattentive) singer saw me packing up the cab, and said "Is THAT what you were playing through all night? It was so loud....I thought you were playing that tweed thing (in reference to my LDS fEarful 15/6)"

I'm definitely a convert.
 
While IMO the narrow, tall configuration of the AE212 and CN212 isn't optimal for wheels, especially if you are putting stuff on top when wheeling in, it surely would work 'OK' in your case (wheeling the cab by itself from the truck to the club). I would highly recommend the 'plate castor' design.... sturdy, removable, and you don't need to drill holes in your cab like with the traditional removable castor designs. Should work fine, and takes 5 minutes to install. I believe Jim sells them, and you can find them at speaker hardware sites on-line. That being said, not much real estate for repositioning the rubber feet with removable castors.



As a former 310UL user, I would guess that one won't be around for long compared to the CN212.

Well Ken, When you're right, you're right! :p After 5 gigs with the CN212, it's a permanent keeper. While the UL310 isn't going anywhere soon, it's now living in storage. I have had tons of cabinets over the years. I'm not just saying this because it's the flavor of the month, but I love this box!! I've been a GK user for at least 20 years. I still have a couple in the stable, but picked up a TH500 a couple of months back just to try. The TH paired with the CN212 is a thing of beauty. I play Sadowsky Moderns 99% of the time, and the three together, are nothing short of tone nirvana. The TH balances out the Modern perfectly, and the CN drives it home. And buy the way, I did install removable plate casters. I picked up some rubber feet on e-bay that are a bit taller, so that the plates won't bottom out when the wheels are removed. Since the cab is a bit narrow, and the feet were a little closer together, I installed 6 instead of 4 for balance.
 
Well Ken, When you're right, you're right! :p After 5 gigs with the CN212, it's a permanent keeper. While the UL310 isn't going anywhere soon, it's now living in storage. I have had tons of cabinets over the years. I'm not just saying this because it's the flavor of the month, but I love this box!! I've been a GK user for at least 20 years. I still have a couple in the stable, but picked up a TH500 a couple of months back just to try. The TH paired with the CN212 is a thing of beauty. I play Sadowsky Moderns 99% of the time, and the three together, are nothing short of tone nirvana. The TH balances out the Modern perfectly, and the CN drives it home. And buy the way, I did install removable plate casters. I picked up some rubber feet on e-bay that are a bit taller, so that the plates won't bottom out when the wheels are removed. Since the cab is a bit narrow, and the feet were a little closer together, I installed 6 instead of 4 for balance.

I gigged a 310UL for quite a few years back in the day. For the time, it was 'top of the line'. Things have come a long way since then!

Had yet another wonderful weekend with the CN212 and the TH500 and Nordy. I usually don't bother with gig pictures (usually not thinking about this stuff when I'm getting ready to play), but I played a very large gig with a wonderful, massive front of house system on Saturday night. Good band, GREAT sound. Here is the rig and Nordy in my little corner of the stage, ready to go! Sounded great on stage!

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I gigged a 310UL for quite a few years back in the day. For the time, it was 'top of the line'. Things have come a long way since then!

Had yet another wonderful weekend with the CN212 and the TH500 and Nordy. I usually don't bother with gig pictures (usually not thinking about this stuff when I'm getting ready to play), but I played a very large gig with a wonderful, massive front of house system on Saturday night. Good band, GREAT sound. Here is the rig and Nordy in my little corner of the stage, ready to go! Sounded great on stage!

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Love it Ken! I have a feeling that rig will enter my life in the near future. :-) Maybe a piece at a time. But she will be mine, oh yes, she will be mine. (CN212 ...and probably a TH500) ;)
 
On page #11 of this thread I mentioned getting back to y’all after a May 3rd fill-in gig with a classic rock band. The room we played in was large with a lot of hard surfaces and I’ve heard many a bass player sound like doo-doo there. I was going to use my Streamliner 600 but opted to use my Tone Hammer 500 all night. My drummer in Five Yard Dog was kind enough to come by and hang out for a while. This is what he had to say, “Perfect volume, perfect clarity, amazing tone.” I happen to value his opinion.

I have to say that I was impressed, too. I had to stand so close to the cab that my backside was no more than three inches away from it. I could hear every note and they all had authority, weight, and clarity. The problem I had at my house where some notes sounded noticeably louder than others was non-existent on this gig. Maybe the mid-range content of this cab causes it to interact with my family room/practice room more so than other cabs in my collection. Maybe, maybe not. At any rate, it was an enjoyable evening gear-wise and it served as a great reminder of why I became a bass player.

Oh, did I mention what a breeze this cab is to schlep? It’s wonderfully schlep-alicious. :)

M. M.
 
Love it Ken! I have a feeling that rig will enter my life in the near future. :-) Maybe a piece at a time. But she will be mine, oh yes, she will be mine. (CN212 ...and probably a TH500) ;)

It is such a pleasure to work with these mega hi end sound companies. Beautiful JBL PA, with the 'flying line array' sort of thing and massive subs, which where beautifully hi passed to punch and not boom. Took about 10 minutes for the entire 10 piece band to sound check. Simple pre EQ send from the TH500 and there you go!

Fun night. About a thousand people at this 'afterparty' associated with a big fundraiser (played a 2 hour trio earlier in the evening for the old richy riches that paid the big dollars for the primary fundraiser... so it was 6 1/2 hours of playing over an 8 hour period... whew). We had a very good DJ imbedded in the group for the afterparty dance sets, which always makes it interesting. The drummer has the DJ through his in-ears (the rest of us have monitors) and on selected tunes, the DJ will add some tracks, etc. (and then do the more heavy duty hip hop/neo R&B stuff on the band breaks).

CN212 sounded awesome all weekend. Previous night was no front of house in a beautiful room in a Casino in OK. Another good band, and the CN212 was cranking. Nice combination of 'useable low end' and plenty of midrange definition. And, as posted above, massively easy schlep!
 
Finally had the chance to see, & play through, a CN112 this weekend. Shop near me had just gotten in an Aguilar TH350 that was still in the box, and before I bought it I wanted to make sure it worked. Plugged it into the CN112 and needless to say, we packed the head back into the box and out the door it went! The tone was as pleasing to my ears as is my TH500/2 x HD112 setup.

About a month or 2 ago, I was trying out a bunch of basses at Sam Ash and played through a TH350/Aguilar SL112 there. As much as I like Aguilar products (now own 3 heads), there's just something about Bergantino cabs that grabs my attention.

Only problem now is I have to decide if I want to flip my 2 HD112 cabs for 2 CN cabs to save 16 lbs on each. I know which way my bad back would decide.
 
Finally had the chance to see, & play through, a CN112 this weekend. Shop near me had just gotten in an Aguilar TH350 that was still in the box, and before I bought it I wanted to make sure it worked. Plugged it into the CN112 and needless to say, we packed the head back into the box and out the door it went! The tone was as pleasing to my ears as is my TH500/2 x HD112 setup.

About a month or 2 ago, I was trying out a bunch of basses at Sam Ash and played through a TH350/Aguilar SL112 there. As much as I like Aguilar products (now own 3 heads), there's just something about Bergantino cabs that grabs my attention.

Only problem now is I have to decide if I want to flip my 2 HD112 cabs for 2 CN cabs to save 16 lbs on each. I know which way my bad back would decide.

Been there done that. I flipped my heavier Berg 112's and got the CN's, and haven't missed a beat. I still own my Aguilar SL's, and have no immediate plans to sell....but I will entertain offers. :-)
 
Blowinblue IIRC you were going to compare to a GS212, did that happen?

Thanks for the reminder. During one of our rehearsals at my house I ran my TH500 through my beloved GS 212. It sounded awesome. Fat, full, warm, and clear. These two make a great pairing. It was interesting how my very picky bandmates rated the different amp/cab combos I tried during our five rehearsals. The CN 212/STM-600 pairing rated about the same as the GS 212/TH500 to their ears. Different sounding of course, but they ranked them about the same. The CN212/TH500 was liked a bit better than the latter. The clear winner was the DB 115/Faital 15PR400/STM-600 combo.

I thought maybe my guitar player was listening with his eyes. He plays nothing but tube combos so I thought maybe he was being swayed the the silver fabric grill on the DB 115. Not. He thought the Berg was the best looking. To be sure, they really liked all of these pairings and would be happy on the gig with whatever I bring. And I feel the same way. My two bandmates have great gear. I never worry about what they're going to play.

What do my ears tell me? I like 'em all and could live with any of these pieces combined. They're all just different flavors of great. What's my favorite? What day is it? :)

M. M.
 
Last week I had four consecutive gigs (Thur-Sunday). I am so happy that I went with a modular unit instead of the CN 212. Thursday, I gigged at restaurant that also brings in acts like Lee Ritenhour, Bob James etc. I used both of my CN 112's. Friday night I played at a coffee house. Used 1 of the CN's. Saturday night, I played for a high end wedding. Used only 1 CN because we had full FOH support. Sunday, I had two shows, in a large room, but had a very sophisticated audience who know music and listen critically. I used both CN's. The CN 212 would have been way to much for the coffee house and the Saturday gig.
 
Last week I had four consecutive gigs (Thur-Sunday). I am so happy that I went with a modular unit instead of the CN 212. Thursday, I gigged at restaurant that also brings in acts like Lee Ritenhour, Bob James etc. I used both of my CN 112's. Friday night I played at a coffee house. Used 1 of the CN's. Saturday night, I played for a high end wedding. Used only 1 CN because we had full FOH support. Sunday, I had two shows, in a large room, but had a very sophisticated audience who know music and listen critically. I used both CN's. The CN 212 would have been way to much for the coffee house and the Saturday gig.

All you have to do is turn it down;). The footprint is exactly the same between a CN212 and a CN112:D And, once you get a good cart, the schlep is identical also!

Again, pure IMO there... no wrong or right answer. I find a single larger cab that can handle any gig as the simplest, most cost effective solution (and you usually get just a smidge more wump with the single larger cab versus two small ones coupled. For others, the ability to bring a very small cab to a small gig is worth the expense and the added complication of hauling and connecting two cabs, having two covers, two speaker cables, etc.

I guess that is why Jim offers both solutions!:bassist:
 
The Bass and Beyond comparo does show different tone between the CN 212 and the 112 stack. In that video the stack seemed a littler more together. However, also agree with Ken that the little extra oomph in the 212 can be good. In the B&B vid, not so much. Maybe vids can be deceiving.
 
The Bass and Beyond comparo does show different tone between the CN 212 and the 112 stack. In that video the stack seemed a littler more together. However, also agree with Ken that the little extra oomph in the 212 can be good. In the B&B vid, not so much. Maybe vids can be deceiving.

Thats right Bucephylus, vids can be deceiving. You can get and "idea" of how things sound, but its like getting a 2D sound versus a 3D sound when "You" are actually in the room and playing the equipment yourself. Certain things that "Perk" your ear when you're playing might not even register with others, best thing to do is try them out before you buy if you're that critical of the tone. We all know the Bergs perform outstandingly so its really more about 'taste' and fit for you and your specific tonal goals..imho.
 
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