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New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

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Say Ken what would you say about the different handle position on the CN212 vs, the AE212 which (I believe) has the handles a little higher up? Is the CN an easier shlep?




KJung said:
Nice quote by Jim on the site in the post above. To my ear, he pretty much nailed what he was going for with the CN.




"For the CN212, I was basically going for cabinet with a good low mid punch with nice articulation and a very balanced octave to octave tonal balance. A cabinet which can be heard in the mix without favoring any specific frequency range over another. Being musical is also very important to me as a designer. It ultimately has to sound like good "bass". Of course, being neo, light weight was also an important consideration."--Jim Bergantino
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#326
I am just a stones throw away from a CN212 I think. Have a Single Baer ML112 that covers my single 1x12 cab needs. thinking a CN212 is gonna make me smile. when I need to go beyond the limits of a single 1x12 cab. Just saying. I know I keep talking about it. Just timing, money and really want to check one out. Hoping Bass San Diego will have one in a couple weeks when I drove over. I will take my Bergie AE410 to compare.

If the CN212 covers most of the ground or more that the AE410 covers (as I've been told it will), the easier, lighter schlep of the CN212 will seal the deal! Just don't wanna let go of my AE410 before hearing and comparing to the CN212.
 
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Doug Parent said:
Say Ken what would you say about the different handle position on the CN212 vs, the AE212 which (I believe) has the handles a little higher up? Is the CN an easier shlep?
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It is a subtle improvement. Maybe an inch or a bit more lower than the AE212. Lifts the cab a touch higher when carrying it. A nice if not life changing improvement over the AE212. For me, it does improve the carry up and down a lot of stairs, and moving it from the cart to the stage.

Extremely easy, simple and light schlep. Again, I would never even carry a 28 pound cab over anything more than a very sort distance. Always use my kart-a-bag Super 600, so the CN212 is a simpler, easier schlep for me than two 112's. Once cover, one box, one speaker cable... done!
 
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KJung said:
It is a subtle improvement. Maybe an inch or a bit more lower than the AE212. Lifts the cab a touch higher when carrying it. A nice if not life changing improvement over the AE212. For me, it does improve the carry up and down a lot of stairs, and moving it from the cart to the stage.

Extremely easy, simple and light schlep. Again, I would never even carry a 28 pound cab over anything more than a very sort distance. Always use my kart-a-bag Super 600, so the CN212 is a simpler, easier schlep for me than two 112's. Once cover, one box, one speaker cable... done!
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Thanks Ken!
 
#331
Hi all!

Here's a question for you all... which is the best Berg cab for metal?

Just kidding, although my real question is just as vague.

If my preferred tone is round and deep, with a little growl on the side - i.e. classic P fretted and fretless with flats, tone rolled off a bit - which Berg cab has the closest inherent tone?

I'm using HS210s at the moment which I like, but I'm liking the idea of more supportive lows... and I'm hoping to shed a bit of the weight into the bargain.

Would the CN112's do it, or would I be better off going ceramic?

I'm using a MESA Walkabout...

Thanks!
 
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KJung said:
... Extremely easy, simple and light schlep. Again, I would never even carry a 28 pound cab over anything more than a very sort distance. Always use my kart-a-bag Super 600, so the CN212 is a simpler, easier schlep for me than two 112's. Once cover, one box, one speaker cable... done!
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Sounds like that 2nd cable is the real deal breaker here...

:D
 
#333
mothra2 said:
Sounds like that 2nd cable is the real deal breaker here...

:D
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You know it might sound trivial but I agree with Ken, I've gone the dual 112 route before, and frankly with the weight of a CN212 or AE212 they are almost as easy to toss around as a 112 cab but with twice the output. I love the form factor of Jims tall/narrow 212 cabs, no more single 12's for me, it's just additional unnecessary steps in the schlep/setup process.
 
#335
I think you can fudge the vertical thing a little bit without any ill effects. The Green Boy cabs like the 1515/6 or the 1212/6 have the drivers off-set a little.

I also think that the box would be so tall and skinny with the drivers were vertical that it might be weird. Look weird, unstable, not wide enough / stable enough for amps and racks.

This is all IMO of course.
 
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pickles said:
With the vertical dual 12 is there reasoning behind not putting the speakers directly above each other? I thought a vertical line array was the best for dispertion?
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I wondered the same thing. Jim probably came upon his design based on the sonic imaging of the two slightly diagonal 12's with the tweeter sandwiched in-between.
 
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