New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

[TheButlerdidit]

Hope you are digging the F500! I finally got my second f500 back home from its remote location. Man, sounds great with the CN212. Hope you dig it. Sounds great flat, but man, the VPF at 9 o'clock, and there you go!

Ken,
I am digging the F500 w/ my CN212. For some reason I had a weird thought that I needed to CN112's instead. But then I had to hall the CN212 to load up this afternoon and I came to my sense. My CN212 is lighter than one of previous 112 cabs.

I like the size and form and like u have said before. The CN212 doesn't take up any more floor space than the 112.

I am getting ready to try out the TH500 with this cab this weekend. Should be fun.
Thanks for your help & info,
Steve

 

[akukulich]

Has anyone tried the CN212 with a Walter Woods Ultra?

 

[KJung]

Ken,
I am digging the F500 w/ my CN212. For some reason I had a weird thought that I needed to CN112's instead. But then I had to hall the CN212 to load up this afternoon and I came to my sense. My CN212 is lighter than one of previous 112 cabs.

I like the size and form and like u have said before. The CN212 doesn't take up any more floor space than the 112.

I am getting ready to try out the TH500 with this cab this weekend. Should be fun.
Thanks for your help & info,
Steve

Yeah, the single cab versus modular thing is a personal choice. The CN212 is so small and light that it very easy to get around.

That TH500 will be quite a different experience versus the F500. Fun to have both, as they are really quite different. The TH500 takes a bit more effort to dial in (versus the very 'plug and play' of the F500), but it is worth it! I like that big, chewy wump down low!

 

[tombowlus]

Has anyone tried the CN212 with a Walter Woods Ultra?

Not yet, but I can give that a go for you.

 

[akukulich]

Not yet, but I can give that a go for you.

Thanks, Tom. I'd appreciate your opinion on that.

 

[ppal]

Any more info or feedback on the CN212 vs. two CN112's other than price?

Check out Bass and Beyond's site (bassandbeyond.net), they just did a comparison with the CN212 Vs. Two CN112's. go to their "Video" tab and take a look.

 

[KJung]

Check out Bass and Beyond's site (bassandbeyond.net), they just did a comparison with the CN212 Vs. Two CN112's. go to their "Video" tab and take a look.

Nice. I hear similar things as my buddy Bailey Gee did when he did the side by side. CN212 (like most 'all in one 212's versus 2 x 112's of the same design) has a bit more open low end. The 2 x 112's midrange is a bit less 'masked' by the low end compared to the bigger sounding CN212. Makes sense. VERY close, and my guess is, a slight cut to the deep bass on the CN212, or a slight boost to the deep bass on the CN112 x 2 would get them very close.

The difference in size most likely has to do with the 'extra' bottom wood and feet of the 112 x 2 stack.

Very nice job by Jim regarding scalability of the CN112 versus the CN212.

 

[ppal]

Nice. I hear similar things as my buddy Bailey Gee did when he did the side by side. CN212 (like most 'all in one 212's versus 2 x 112's of the same design) has a bit more open low end. The 2 x 112's midrange is a bit less 'masked' by the low end compared to the bigger sounding CN212. Makes sense. VERY close, and my guess is, a slight cut to the deep bass on the CN212, or a slight boost to the deep bass on the CN112 x 2 would get them very close.

The difference in size most likely has to do with the 'extra' bottom wood and feet of the 112 x 2 stack.

Very nice job by Jim regarding scalability of the CN112 versus the CN212.

Thanks for taking a listen Ken, and yes the size difference is the wood and rubber feet. These cabs are awesome, you cant really go wrong with either a pair of the 112's or the stand alone 212 cab. I tried the CN212 vs. my AE410 with my Zon TJ-6 and their is more similarities than differences, both sounded great, Id give the edge to the AE410 only because of the extra smoothness with the high C string provided by the 10's. But for most 4/5 string players the CN212 delivers outstandingly, kind of a cross between the stacked two CN112's and the AE410 in balance, compression, and smoothness.

 

[KJung]

Thanks for taking a listen Ken, and yes the size difference is the wood and rubber feet. These cabs are awesome, you cant really go wrong with either a pair of the 112's or the stand alone 212 cab. I tried the CN212 vs. my AE410 with my Zon TJ-6 and their is more similarities than differences, both sounded great, Id give the edge to the AE410 only because of the extra smoothness with the high C string provided by the 10's. But for most 4/5 string players the CN212 delivers outstandingly, kind of a cross between the stacked two CN112's and the AE410 in balance, compression, and smoothness.

+1 The AE410 was my gigging cab for a number of years. Switched to the AE212 (which was great, but very different... big, smooth and crisp). I've been describing the CN212 as kind of the 'child' of the AE212/AE410... some of the punch and brightness and grind of the AE410, and some of the big bottom and authority of the AE212.

Perfect combination for me. Nice to hear that the CN112's have similar booty. A stack of those should make most of the 'modular' guys pretty happy!

Nice clip/comparison by those guys!

 

[GRoberts]

Thanks for taking a listen Ken, and yes the size difference is the wood and rubber feet. These cabs are awesome, you cant really go wrong with either a pair of the 112's or the stand alone 212 cab. I tried the CN212 vs. my AE410 with my Zon TJ-6 and their is more similarities than differences, both sounded great, Id give the edge to the AE410 only because of the extra smoothness with the high C string provided by the 10's. But for most 4/5 string players the CN212 delivers outstandingly, kind of a cross between the stacked two CN112's and the AE410 in balance, compression, and smoothness.

This comparison is extremely valuable to me since I have an AE410 that has always been superb. BUT ...I would LOVE to haul around less weight and size with equal performance. The CN212 could easily replace my AE410 ..and maybe even become my one cab does all solution. Does the CN212 sound just as good at low volume, or is it like other Berg cabs where they really sound their best once you give them a bit more volume than cocktail bar/listening venue gigs call for?

 

[KJung]

This comparison is extremely valuable to me since I have an AE410 that has always been superb. BUT ...I would LOVE to haul around less weight and size with equal performance. The CN212 could easily replace my AE410 ..and maybe even become my one cab does all solution. Does the CN212 sound just as good at low volume, or is it like other Berg cabs where they really sound their best once you give them a bit more volume than cocktail bar/listening venue gigs call for?

I found the old HT line, with that very relaxed midrange, preferred to be cranked a bit to even out (IME). I always found the AE line of cabs to sound fabulous at all volumes, and stay very, very even through their volume range. The CN212 is similar... sounds the same through its entire range, due to that nice dose of mid midrange.

 

[GRoberts]

I found the old HT line, with that very relaxed midrange, preferred to be cranked a bit to even out (IME). I always found the AE line of cabs to sound fabulous at all volumes, and stay very, very even through their volume range. The CN212 is similar... sounds the same through its entire range, due to that nice dose of mid midrange.

Thanks Ken. I suspected as much and also found the AE410 has been amazing at any volume from low to loud. If the CN212 works the same, that would be way cool!

 

[GRoberts]

Just listened and watched the video of CN212 versus the pair of CN112's on the Bass and Beyond website. Dang. I personally liked the CN212 the best. It offers more of the articulation in the Midrange that I like. Very cool.

 

[tombowlus]

Does the CN212 sound just as good at low volume, or is it like other Berg cabs where they really sound their best once you give them a bit more volume than cocktail bar/listening venue gigs call for?

IME/IMHO, both the CN212 and HD212 do extremely well at low to moderate volumes. I'll agree that some of the earlier HT models definitely shined brighter when pushed hard (and FWIW the SA line made for Sadowsky definitely did their best work with tube amps), but my experience with the CN212 and HD212 is that they seem to be "universal performers" which do well with tube or solid state amps, at low, mid or high volumes.

 

[ppal]

This comparison is extremely valuable to me since I have an AE410 that has always been superb. BUT ...I would LOVE to haul around less weight and size with equal performance. The CN212 could easily replace my AE410 ..and maybe even become my one cab does all solution. Does the CN212 sound just as good at low volume, or is it like other Berg cabs where they really sound their best once you give them a bit more volume than cocktail bar/listening venue gigs call for?

I would say that the CN212 could easily become your one cab does all, but remember your tonal goals. Do you play mainly 4/5 string basses? do you play chords? Do you solo or play in the upper register a lot? What needs to be heard the most in "your" style of play?

Weight wise the 212 is very easy to schlep around, its taller and more vertical than the 410. if weight is the "ONLY" consideration get the CN212. This cab is super light and covers a lot of tonal ground.

But Remember a 212 is still a 212, and a 410 is still a 410...they both have their strengths and weaknesses. But if you play more moderately I would say it could be your "one go to" cab, but if you play at the extreme of range, you might want to keep the 410 with its slight edge of smoothness and balance. Or better yet, try them both for yourself is really the best way to do it. You can get psyched up on these forums thinking you need something, but until you hear them with your own ears and feel the difference, you might surprise yourself with what you thought before going into the whole process. With any of the Bergs, your really splitting hairs, in most gig situations you wont perceive "significant" differences. I think the perceivable differences come in with what type of cab (and head) your playing, 212,410,112,115, 610, etc.

 

[GRoberts]

I would say that the CN212 could easily become your one cab does all, but remember your tonal goals. Do you play mainly 4/5 string basses? do you play chords? Do you solo or play in the upper register a lot? What needs to be heard the most in "your" style of play?

Weight wise the 212 is very easy to schlep around, its taller and more vertical than the 410. if weight is the "ONLY" consideration get the CN212. This cab is super light and covers a lot of tonal ground.

But Remember a 212 is still a 212, and a 410 is still a 410...they both have their strengths and weaknesses. But if you play more moderately I would say it could be your "one go to" cab, but if you play at the extreme of range, you might want to keep the 410 with its slight edge of smoothness and balance. Or better yet, try them both for yourself is really the best way to do it. You can get psyched up on these forums thinking you need something, but until you hear them with your own ears and feel the difference, you might surprise yourself with what you thought before going into the whole process. With any of the Bergs, your really splitting hairs, in most gig situations you wont perceive "significant" differences. I think the perceivable differences come in with what type of cab (and head) your playing, 212,410,112,115, 610, etc.

Thanks! Great feedback.
I play 5 string basses (Nordstrands).
In one of my projects I solo a lot and tend to play all the way up to the highest frets. I chord, but not a lot. Upper smoothness and sweetness matters, but on a "G" string, not a C string. Yeah, I know its easy to get all hyped up on the forum and to be honest, I love the sound of my AE410. The sweetness up top and punch of 10's is very nice. The weight of my AE410 is not completely unreasonable but I have been downsizing where I can and 12lbs less sounds quite appealing. But is not the 'only' factor. If I truly prefer the sound of my AE410, I will deal with the added weight and be quite content to keep it. That said, One day soon I will try a CN212 for myself.

 

[3rdcurve]

I had the house to myself today an got to spend a few hours tweaking my CN212 / Streamliner matchup. I gotta say, I love this cab when you start pushing it! I only play 4 strings which may make things different than for some of you, but this is the best tone (for me) I have achieved yet. Way stoked. It will be VERY difficult to dethrone this cab.

Edit: I previously mentioned that at low volumes the cab sounded a bit dark. I think that may have had to do a lot with my EQ settings and the room it was in. Now that I have more time on it and was able to move it into a bigger room, the lower volume levels sound much better than before.

 

[Virgil]

When I did the CN 112 vs CN 212, I reached the same conclusion that the 112's had more bottom and the 212's were more linear. I prefer the bottom the 112's offered and the portability. When I have two gigs in a day or multiple rehearsals its just easier to carry a 112 than 212's. My back is shot, so any reduction in weight without sacrificing tone works for me. But I doubt that there is a noticeable difference in a band setting with drums, guitars and keys. They both would get the job done.

 

[slade]

I'm with you Virgil. I'm blown away at what the Bergantino line can do in a single 12 box. Even though the 212 box is light it still has square footage- if you're looking for a cab that can handle small to medium sized gigs, and fit in a small vehicle at the same time when sharing space with drums, guitars, etc then I think a single 12 (with one in reserve for bigger gigs) is the way to go....

 

[kringle77]

That video didn't sound the greatest but, it seemed like the pair of 1x12's had more of a tight low mid punch and was overall all more defined than the 2x12.