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New Bergantino Neo Line; Pt. 2

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Fwiw, I found the SL to sound great at lower volumes, but started to run out of gas when pushed. The CN handles getting pushed better. Plus the form factor on the CN is superior imho. SL is a few pounds lighter but is harder to carry due to the bigger box and the strap handle.
 
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Chef said:
What is that Reverend; that's not laid out like anything I recognise...
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Its my butchered BH5! its got solid maple front and back.... Installed a Nordy pre will Villex pups- vol/vol, tone, Bass/treb, mid/freq.

I almost never use the eq controls... only vol and tone. Sounds nearly identical passive or active... So I generally use it in passive mode.
 
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KJung said:
Well, you can tell it is a rainy, cold day in Sheboygan, and that I don't have an active project starting until Thursday. So, clip time again.

I don't like to post clips of gear that is no longer on the market, but I've gotten quite a few emails requesting comparison of the both the AE212 and the Thunderchild cabs. So, here is a direct comparison of the CN212, the AE212 and the Thunderchild115 (which sounds very close to the current TC212 and the smaller TC112... very nice 'scaling' done by Duke in these designs). The head is the Glockenklang Blue Soul, set reasonable neutral with just a bit of bass and low mid boost (less than 3db). Bass is Alleva-Coppolo with broken in Hi Beams, active, with a smidge of bass boost.

And, here is the link to the quick comparison clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=b3Md1FV4fUI

Hopefully, if you have good phones, you can hear the wide tonal footprint of the AE212, with the nice bright top end; then the very smooth, low end extended, relaxed Thunderchild voicing, and finally,the more midrange, grunty voicing of the CN212 (to my ear, anyway). All wonderful cabs, that sound quite different (and even more different on the gig as you push them).

Cabs all sound very good to me (which is I guess why I own them!).
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Nice clips Ken; and most illustrative of what you have been trying to describe.

All good cabs and picking one over any of the others is going to be a pretty player specific or instrument specific thing. Can clearly hear what Jim was going for. I still like the AE212; but that's just me. The TC sounds pretty amazing as well. All very cool.

Thanks!
 
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bucephylus said:
Nice clips Ken; and most illustrative of what you have been trying to describe.

All good cabs and picking one over any of the others is going to be a pretty player specific or instrument specific thing. Can clearly hear what Jim was going for. I still like the AE212; but that's just me. The TC sounds pretty amazing as well. All very cool.

Thanks!
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Thanks! It is always amazing to me how those differences in voicing across cabs like these that are all in the same 'tone universe' (i.e., clean, relatively modern, full range) can make such a huge difference in how they perform on the gig with different instruments and heads.

No amount of EQ available on the typical bass head can make those three cabs sound much alike.

That AE212 is a beautiful voicing, and if you match it up with the right head and bass, it really is something... wide, clean, smooth, big, crisp. I still love it, and I have a LOT of gigs on that one.

The TC115 is more of a 'cool to have' for me. That polite, even voicing thunders down low at surprisingly high volumes, but that relaxed midrange and top end can really get eaten up in some of the mixes in which I perform. No amount of knob twisting (that I've found) moves that cab much away from what it is... very pure, clean and relaxed. At 34 pounds, it is a very interesting 'freak of nature' that I enjoy in more sparse mixes.

The CN212 has that 'low mid hammer' thing that doesn't sound quite as pretty solo, but just punches through a mix, and doesn't seem to compress at all at high volumes (the massive low end of the Glock can bring the AE212 to its knees, where the CN212 seems to just take it). It really pumps. Not quite the low end extension into the absolute deep low end as the other two cabs, but it just 'hammers the phat' down low, which works wonderfully in pop/country/funk sort of contexts.
 
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speyer said:
Its my butchered BH5! its got solid maple front and back.... Installed a Nordy pre will Villex pups- vol/vol, tone, Bass/treb, mid/freq.

I almost never use the eq controls... only vol and tone. Sounds nearly identical passive or active... So I generally use it in passive mode.
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Nice! That sounds like a heck of a bass! :cool:
 
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I'm very intrigued by this cab. Very small sample size so far, and subjective of course, but it seems like the CN212 is pairing up nicely with all the different heads people are trying. TH-500 and Blue Soul, those clips speak for themselves. I've seen an SVT7 Pro and a Puma mentioned, has anyone tried anything else yet? Hey Tom Bowlus....I know you have the review of the head coming out and you don't want to give anything away, BUT, you must have tried the Big Bang with the CN212??? Maybe you could just give us a "scale of 1-10" Big Bang & CN212 pairing? Intrigued by that head as well. I've owned a TH-500 and a Puma 500, so I have a feel for those, never a Blue Soul.....and I know comparing those three heads is like Apples, Oranges, and a Peach. REALLY interested in that Blue Soul as well as the Big Bang. Once again, Apples/Peaches. So anyway Tom....Big Bang/CN212....scale of 1-10.....:D
 
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TXLawDawg said:
These have me curious, can anyone comment on the CN112 vs the Aguilar SL112?
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I own two of each. Today I compared the two, in a blind test at Bass Specialties. I would say that the Aguilar SL has more bottom. It is a deeper cab than the Berg. It also has strong lower mids. The Berg will give you more detail in the notes, more hifi. The berg is rated at 350 watts RMS and the SL @ 250 RMS. The SL has a sash handle and the Berg an integrated metal handle. I carried both into my house and did not notice any inconvenience carrying either. I have yet to gig with the Berg,but I have gigged with the SL's, and if you don't feed them too much bass,two of them can get pretty loud. The Berg is heavier, not by much, and I don't know how durable the new covers are. I have owned the SL's for over a year, and they still look new. Personally, I think both are great cabs, it all depends on what you like. Side by side, and the same gain levels, and with the head set flat, the Berg sounds louder. Finally, the Berg has feet on two sides of the cab that allows you to stack them vertically, bringing the cab closer to your ears.
 

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Tugboat said:
Hey Tom Bowlus....I know you have the review of the head coming out and you don't want to give anything away, BUT, you must have tried the Big Bang with the CN212??? Maybe you could just give us a "scale of 1-10" Big Bang & CN212 pairing? Intrigued by that head as well. I've owned a TH-500 and a Puma 500, so I have a feel for those, never a Blue Soul.....and I know comparing those three heads is like Apples, Oranges, and a Peach. REALLY interested in that Blue Soul as well as the Big Bang. Once again, Apples/Peaches. So anyway Tom....Big Bang/CN212....scale of 1-10.....:D
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Well, it's always a subjective thing, and your preferences may not match up with mine, so I'd like to avoid a 1-10 rating. But yes, I did try the combination, and it is very good. If you crave a thick, round, wooly, warm tone, this rig can probably get you pretty close with some tweaking (the VLE will be very helpful for this). But, if you prefer a more aggressive, quick, dynamic, "explosive" tone (whoops! I'm stealing from my review, now!), the Big Bang + CN212 is a match made in heaven! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
 
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tombowlus said:
Well, it's always a subjective thing, and your preferences may not match up with mine, so I'd like to avoid a 1-10 rating. But yes, I did try the combination, and it is very good. If you crave a thick, round, wooly, warm tone, this rig can probably get you pretty close with some tweaking (the VLE will be very helpful for this). But, if you prefer a more aggressive, quick, dynamic, "explosive" tone (whoops! I'm stealing from my review, now!), the Big Bang + CN212 is a match made in heaven! :bassist: :bassist: :bassist: :cool:
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Thanks Tom!! Good stuff. Dumb question....that all sounds good...can you still get that classic clean, clear, nice MB sound as well? Or is it more like TH where it is what it is? Sorry....blowing you're review all to hell. Lol
 
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Tugboat said:
Thanks Tom!! Good stuff. Dumb question....that all sounds good...can you still get that classic clean, clear, nice MB sound as well? Or is it more like TH where it is what it is? Sorry....blowing you're review all to hell. Lol
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You can get a very nice clean "MB sound," but it's closer to the LMII/III than the F1/500. If you love the smooth, laid back, yet totally solid tone of the F1/500, the Big Bang might not be your ideal amp. If you want a more dynamic clean tone, you'll be thrilled.
 
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