New Quilter bass amp!

[Frankie Fender]

why have I never understood the need for 2 speaker jacks on a single channel amp? is daisy chaining 2 cabs together off one input not the exact same thing that the amp "sees" as individual lines from the amp to the speakers. Ditch one speakon, add the 'XLR out' back in, DONE

My thought was ditch the 'XLR in' for the 'XLR out'. How hard could that be? it would free up space for a dedicated headphone jack up front.

 

[Frankie Fender]

All the Quilter cabs have only one jack.

Now we can see where that reasoning came from.

 

[J.Wolf]

All the Quilter cabs have only one jack.

I stand corrected, as I had a Quilter 210, I also think a couple Arnopol cabs I had only had one speakon. That answers that question.

 

[analogcabin]

Why not provide one 1/4" out and use a speakon adapter/Y cable.
Kidding

 

[DJ Bebop]

Sorry but it's not purely subjective... unless you don't see the original two controls as something new for a bass head, returning to traditional controls is not a step forward or a lateral move. Which direction is left... backwards. Or up or down?


It's moving towards the status quo. From an obviously advanced place. I really can't say I get your perspective. It's like the new Corvette coming out with drum brakes and lap belts. That's not progress.

So, I guess after reading all of your posts so far, the bottom line for you is, you're not gettin' one?

 

[Kieran Mulvaney]

why have I never understood the need for 2 speaker jacks on a single channel amp? is daisy chaining 2 cabs together off round one input not the exact same thing that the amp "sees" as individual lines from the amp to the speakers. Ditch one speakon, add the 'XLR out' back in, DONE

And a ground lift switch...please

 

[Brad Johnson]

why have I never understood the need for 2 speaker jacks on a single channel amp? is daisy chaining 2 cabs together off one input not the exact same thing that the amp "sees" as individual lines from the amp to the speakers. Ditch one speakon, add the 'XLR out' back in, DONE

Several manufacturers only put one jack on their cabs.

There are three speaker connections on the BB800.

 

[Flaky Tuna]

I wish they would post some audio clips with say... A jazz bass with roundwounds, (something with more clarity than a Pbass with flat wounds).
I can't tell what this amp really sounds like.

 

[waveman]

Any idea how many were using the XLR line in? Seems like it would've made more sense to lose that than the XLR out which is standard on most bass heads. For obvious reasons.

Why the change to conventional tone controls?

Yeah, I have a MarkBass LM III and have used the XLR in once. I use the XLR out just about every gig that requires PA support for instruments. The only exceptions are when the sound guy insisted on going DI before the amp. But, It's not that big of a deal to use effect out or line out as a DI signal.

 

[peteratquilter]

Hey Tom, sorry your cabs didn’t come with cables. We probably grabbed samples from the front. Normally all of our cabs come with double right angle speaker cables.

You guys know they make 1/4” TRS to XLR cables, right? You don’t have to have an adapter sticking out of your amp.

If we had put an XLR out on the back of the amp you would be complaining about a lack of accessibility when the amp was docked in a BassDock 10. We hear that it might not the connection you’re used to, but it works just the same, and we want our amp to integrate well with our cabs.

 

[DJ Bebop]

Hey Tom, sorry your cabs didn’t come with cables. We probably grabbed samples from the front. Normally all of our cabs come with double right angle speaker cables.

You guys know they make 1/4” TRS to XLR cables, right? You don’t have to have an adapter sticking out of your amp.

If we had put an XLR out on the back of the amp you would be complaining about a lack of accessibility when the amp was docked in a BassDock 10. We hear that it might not the connection you’re used to, but it works just the same, and we want our amp to integrate well with our cabs.

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[peteratquilter]

If the Bass Block 800 continues to sell well it won’t go away, if it doesn’t continue to sell well then, well, you know...

 

[DJ Bebop]

If the Bass Block 800 continues to sell well it won’t go away, if it doesn’t continue to sell well then, well, you know...

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This was the plot all along, make the 802 with no XLR out to sell more 800

 

[Big String]

I have owned quite a few outstanding amp setups of almost every design. The BB800 tops them in overall end result for my needs and taste. Just plain works. Y'all got it right the first time.... If Quilter should end production I’m glad I have an extra. Some might find them a bit odd as I first thought but then again I’m a Subaru Outback owner. They pride themselves on being “quirky.”

 

[shwashwa]

If the Bass Block 800 continues to sell well it won’t go away, if it doesn’t continue to sell well then, well, you know...

even if it slows down in sales, it is a milestone in bass amp design. very unique and a first of its kind. you should keep producing. i can see this thing getting discontinued in the future and people scouring talkbass classifieds trying to find the "holy grail" era of bass blocks

 

[Richard Lindsey]

You guys know they make 1/4” TRS to XLR cables, right? You don’t have to have an adapter sticking out of your amp.

Sure, of course we know that, but it's just one more thing to find, buy, and carry. Every sound reinforcement situation I've ever been in, the person/company doing sound supplies either (a) the XLR cable to be plugged into the back of the amp or (b) said cable plus a DI to plug the bass into. Having to bring an adapter cable is an additional inconvenience for the player. Admittedly, a minor one, but an inconvenience nonetheless, and one that could have been avoided by following more standard practice.

If we had put an XLR out on the back of the amp you would be complaining about a lack of accessibility when the amp was docked in a BassDock 10.

No, I wouldn't be complaining about that, nor would a lot of others, because we wouldn't be using the BB802 with a BassDock 10, having found our sound with other cabs. We would be happy about having the XLR out on the back of the amp, where it's more commonly (though admittedly not universally) found.

We hear that it might not the connection you’re used to, but it works just the same, and we want our amp to integrate well with our cabs.

Fair point, it does work the same, with the proper cabling/adapter. And understandable about wanting your amp to integrate with your cabs. It just would have been better, in the opinions of at least some of us, to achieve that integration in a way that didn't add a bit of inconvenience for those who don't use your cabs.

 

[Frankie Fender]

If we had put an XLR out on the back of the amp you would be complaining about a lack of accessibility when the amp was docked in a BassDock 10. We hear that it might not the connection you’re used to, but it works just the same, and we want our amp to integrate well with our cabs.

So there we have the truth. That's the best and most logical reasoning I have heard. Makes complete sense to me now.

As I said, I was not familiar with this line and wasn't aware of the limitations. I.E. cabs with only one speaker connection and not enough room in the 10 Dock to have an XLR DI coming out the back of the amp. I guess if you use the XLR 'in' the amp wouldn't be in the dock. Silly me. I should have known marketing was at the bottom of this all along.

It only took nine pages to get at the truth.

 

[shwashwa]

So there we have the truth. That's the best and most logical reasoning I have heard. Makes complete sense to me now.

As I said, I was not familiar with this line and wasn't aware of the limitations. I.E. cabs with only one speaker connection and not enough room in the 10 Dock to have an XLR DI coming out the back of the amp. I guess if you use the XLR 'in' the amp wouldn't be in the dock. Silly me. I should have known marketing was at the bottom of this all along.

It only took nine pages to get at the truth.

It's called marketing that someone wants their amp to work with their cab? I call that smart design

 

[GK Breivik]

I absolutely love my BB800, and even though it’s not ideal to have the XLR out post master volume, in real life it’s less of an issue than one would think. For me. Let’s say that the amp has two quirks: Post master volume DI out, and only one Speakon out. For some people one will matter more than the other.

The 802 however, sadly seems to be more unconventional and quirky. I can’t buy it, even though I could use a spare head and this (somewhat) adresses the need for more comprehensive EQ. Think difficult rooms, as previously discussed in this thread.

To me it’s just incredibly backwards to have an XLR in, but a TRS DI out. I mean swapping this around would take up exactly the same panel real estate. You could even use the same physical placement. In on the front, out on the back. Like everyone else does. I totally get that they want the block to be able to function as a standalone power amp, but let the few people that need that specific feature "carry the burden" of bringing a specialized cable from their fancy tube pre or modeler or whatever.

Then there’s the FX loop. I bet not many people use that. One could simplify there if necessary.

I don’t want to come across the wrong way, because the quality, feel and tone of the Quilter is second to NONE. I just wish that they would follow conventional wisdom.

 

[DJ Bebop]

So there we have the truth. That's the best and most logical reasoning I have heard. Makes complete sense to me now.

As I said, I was not familiar with this line and wasn't aware of the limitations. I.E. cabs with only one speaker connection and not enough room in the 10 Dock to have an XLR DI coming out the back of the amp. I guess if you use the XLR 'in' the amp wouldn't be in the dock. Silly me. I should have known marketing was at the bottom of this all along.

It only took nine pages to get at the truth.

Hey, isn't that a Country song. Three chords and the Truth