There's basically two rhcp. Pre californication and post. I like everything from 1999-now a lot better than anything they did before that
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New RHCP! "Dark Necessities"
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You're right on the former, wrong on the latter.
Its just not right and shouldn't be allowed.
This album doesn't get mentioned a lot but I really loved One Hot Minute myself.
I play in a RHCP Tribute (Scar Tissue, out of Charlotte NC) and we get more requests for OHM and the new stuff than we get for the old stuff, I guess these hit with non musicians better than the old ones (although I prefer to play the old ones), we do whatever the crowd wants.
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One Hot Minute is way too Musical for the true RHCP fans.
I love it.
OHM does not have enough raw wild aggressiveness.
No commercial success.
Too much Music , not enough Money.
One Hot Minute is way too Musical for the true RHCP fans.
I love it.
OHM does not have enough raw wild aggressiveness.
No commercial success.
Too much Music , not enough Money.
I also never understood why the band themselves shunned this record. I know it was Navaro on guitar instead of Frusc, but he did a damn fine job. It was incredibly well crafted, spiritual and at times very dense music....or was I smoking too much back then?
OHM lacks that Raw and unedited TRUMP - ness, that RHCP was built on.
In OHM, RHCP felt like standing in front of the judge and dressed in suits.
RHCP got Scared of it.
That is why Navarro got fired.
In OHM, RHCP felt like standing in front of the judge and dressed in suits.
RHCP got Scared of it.
That is why Navarro got fired.
I would say there are three. The punkish funk era (pre-BSSM), BSSM/One Hot Minute, and then Californication onward, with each successive phase producing more melodic, smoother music.
The issue I tend to have with their later music is that it puts Kieidis' voice and lyrics (the weak link, IMO) more front-and-center. But obviously, others' mileage will vary.
I saw them live in '86, after Freaky Styley, at my college's student union. They only got to play 30 minutes due to some overzealous campus security guards--some kid took down a barricade by the stage and the guards flipped. The band broke into Marley's Get Up, Stand Up before they were ushered off the stage.
But despite the brevity, that remains one of the best shows I've ever seen. Very intense, and yes, funky. They had a pretty unique niche at the time.I saw them again in 2000. It was an entirely different band, really. Much mellower, and frankly less interesting. They only played one pre-BSSM track (Blackeyed Blonde), and everyone around us was yapping and waiting for Under the Bridge.
I wish I could have seen the short-lived post-Hillel (RIP) lineup with DH Peligro of the Dead Kennedys on drums and Blackbird McKnight of P Funk on guitar. I bet that killed.
Honestly I'm not a big fan of the first album. Freaky Styley is ok, but patchy. I'm sure it would have been awesome live, but I don't really feel the need to sit down and listen to any of it. The Uplift Mojo Party Plan is the best one with Hillel- Behind The Sun is one of my favourite songs ever. The only other albums I really don't like are OHM, By The Way and I'm With You. By The Way isn't funky enough, it's too nice and produced and clean. I hated Stadium Arcadium when it came out, but these days I really, really love it. Every single song on both discs are pretty good at least, the production is stripped back and John's guitar parts sound incredible.
I get why people want RHCP to be punkier and groovier again, but I don't really think that's a good idea. The guys are getting on, I don't know if I could buy it anymore. Dark Necessities is ok- better than everything on I'm With You, but it still seems like a weak imitation of Californication/By The Way era stuff. I reckon the only way RHCP can stay relevant, and good, is by taking another completely new route. Funk-prog? They're good enough musicians. They can't go back and make some weak facsimile of one of their classic albums.
I get why people want RHCP to be punkier and groovier again, but I don't really think that's a good idea. The guys are getting on, I don't know if I could buy it anymore. Dark Necessities is ok- better than everything on I'm With You, but it still seems like a weak imitation of Californication/By The Way era stuff. I reckon the only way RHCP can stay relevant, and good, is by taking another completely new route. Funk-prog? They're good enough musicians. They can't go back and make some weak facsimile of one of their classic albums.
"Transcending" is freaking fantastic, and so is the title track! I remember spending a LOT of time listening to OHM. I sometimes wonder how people might have received it if RHCP hadn't released it under their moniker, but rather as some kind of side project. That would have been -- interesting.
The first album was marred by bad production. I love early Gang of Four (as does Flea, clearly), but Andy Gill was the wrong guy for the job. I'm glad I got to see them do some of those songs live. Freaky Styley sounded much better thanks to George Clinton, but the songwriting was generally weak. Uplift Mofo is their most satisfying album, IMO. Mother's Milk is a mixed bag. They struck gold with BSSM because it balances Frusciante's melodicism with the aggro-funk of the early years, IMO.
As I said above, the sound since then has highlighted Keidis, which I think has been a negative. That said, I understand that bands evolve, and I'm not sure what direction they could have gone in that would have pleased fans of the old stuff without repeating themselves. Kind of a no-win situation, IMO. Good on them for succeeding, though.
They can still play with that old energy when they get back to their (heh) roots.
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Wow, that's an awesome anecdote. I would have loved to have seen them on those early days.I would say there are three. The punkish funk era (pre-BSSM), BSSM/One Hot Minute, and then Californication onward, with each successive phase producing more melodic, smoother music.
The issue I tend to have with their later music is that it puts Kieidis' voice and lyrics (the weak link, IMO) more front-and-center. But obviously, others' mileage will vary.
I saw them live in '86, after Freaky Styley, at my college's student union. They only got to play 30 minutes due to some overzealous campus security guards--some kid took down a barricade by the stage and the guards flipped. The band broke into Marley's Get Up, Stand Up before they were ushered off the stage.
I saw them again in 2000. It was an entirely different band, really. Much mellower, and frankly less interesting. They only played one pre-BSSM track (Blackeyed Blonde), and everyone around us was yapping and waiting for Under the Bridge.
I wish I could have seen the short-lived post-Hillel (RIP) lineup with DH Peligro of the Dead Kennedys on drums and Blackbird McKnight of P Funk on guitar. I bet that killed.
You like pop, not my case, many other on this thread feel the same as you and I. Some stuff happen.
The drum line of the clip you posted has nothing to do with the new song.
In my case, hearing the first song of the album and I don't like it, doesn't sound like I'll like the rest of the album just like it was the case with By The Way. Since I'm always disappointed by them so here.
Buy the album, be happy with your purchase and me, I'll stay away from that one.
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I decided I'm going to give the new album a whirl when it comes out. Though I'm not hopeful.
I just listened again to this album on my way home today from a Mothers Day dinner. ONE HOT MINUTE, IMO, KILLS.
I defy anyone to put on a set of headphones, listen closely to One Hot Minute, and then put on one of their last 5 albums, do the same, and say that the RHCP are evolving! I can understand someone possibly liking the newer stuff more for it's pop sense, simplicity, or whatever reason they might have - but OHM is loaded with all the stuff I miss from these guys. Creativity, energy, killer grooving basslines, passionate drums, creative artistic use of effects - that album KILLS their newer stuff.
And if you're going to argue that, please give a listen first. Then argue.
Here, I'll help you out a little:
They don't play like that any more.
I just listened again to this album on my way home today from a Mothers Day dinner. ONE HOT MINUTE, IMO, KILLS.
I defy anyone to put on a set of headphones, listen closely to One Hot Minute, and then put on one of their last 5 albums, do the same, and say that the RHCP are evolving! I can understand someone possibly liking the newer stuff more for it's pop sense, simplicity, or whatever reason they might have - but OHM is loaded with all the stuff I miss from these guys. Creativity, energy, killer grooving basslines, passionate drums, creative artistic use of effects - that album KILLS their newer stuff.
And if you're going to argue that, please give a listen first. Then argue
.Here, I'll help you out a little:
They don't play like that any more.
I haven't paid much attention to them in a loooong time, used to see them live the first few years. A few observations: it's really strange to hear AK all tuned up. I like the ambient-ish
production. It's also strange to hear piano, not bad just unexpected.
production. It's also strange to hear piano, not bad just unexpected.
I was really surprised they dumped Rick Rubin. I like the track, I hear some "By the Way" themes in it.
I've just wanted to show that the drumming in that new RHCP is a STRONGLY-AVERAGE CHAD'S drum line.
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Was just rereading this thread. I'm curious of 2 things.... Of course ya don't have to answer, but I'm not looking for any kind of trouble her. Genuinely curious.
1. What other bands are your favorites?
2. Have you ever REALLY listened to their earlier stuff? Like more than once, and not as background music?
I like bands like the Beatles and led Zeppelin. Current bands like real estate and tame impala. I do like some of their earlier stuff, like green heaven, American ghostdance, nevermind, and others. I just like the style of songwriting during the frusciante era better. But I know there's a lot of people who are the exact opposite!
