Amen!
It's not like we're insisting on vintage-aircraft-carrier 1.75" (though I do like those..).
If Ibanez, the skinny-necked-kings-of-the-east, were willing to give us a 1.614" (41mm) on the Talman basses surely other companies can do as much?
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New Sire P Basses!
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It's not like we're insisting on vintage-aircraft-carrier 1.75" (though I do like those..).
If Ibanez, the skinny-necked-kings-of-the-east, were willing to give us a 1.614" (41mm) on the Talman basses surely other companies can do as much?
Not to go too much off topic but I would've bought a sound gear years ago if it wasn't for the pencil neck. Great sounding basses that I can't play.
I will say this, though. I'm a P bass player, no matter what bass I'm using at the moment. This one has a lot of knobs, and, being a P bass player, I have a fairly simple mind; sometimes two knobs get the better of me! This thing would confuse the devil out of me. Which one adjusts how dark my toast gets?
It's interesting. I always hear how the P Bass is the most popular bass and it's been copied so much but most modern copies/clones have a bridge pickup or other non-P features. I haven't read the whole thread so maybe Sire will offer a straight-up P Bass eventually. It doesn't really matter to me because I've no interest in buying a Sire but I can't keep myself from clicking on any thread with the words P Bass in the title.
Disclaimer: this post is not meant to criticize Sire.
I think they've as much as said already that they've heard there is demand for the wider P style neck. I would not be surprised if the PJs come with that available at least as an option. They do seem to listen rather well compared to some other manufacturers. 
I also prefer the J in the normal spot on a PJ because it actually lets you get a useable pickup by itself. A bass just doesn't lend itself well to using a super trebly pickup in a trebly spot IMO unless it's for blending (PJs don't have to be set up that way).
To my knowledge, Fender does not have the J in the correct place for most of their PJs. I think the most recent PJ from the Magnificent 7 did but that's a rarety.
Also for what it's worth, that PJ configuration is meant for blending in the J and favoring the P. I understand why you might want it but man, they just don't do that control scheme well usually. I don't think you should have to bump your bass to get a good tone out of the bridge pickup. It should be mid-heavy with some bite, losing a little energy compared to a P pickup, but not nearly as much as most of those PJs do when you shift to the bridge position.
The Fender Mustang PJ actually looks like it has the J in the wrong spot but it sounds great. It's bridge pickup sounds like I'd want a Jazz bridge pickup to sound.
That is a very good point, and I had not thought about it in quite that way before. I suppose a lot of these P bass clones with extra features are a response to all the butchered - oops, I meant "modified" - old Fender P's. I'm not that way. I have plenty of use for a good preamp or a bridge pickup, but I don't need that out of my P bass. I sometimes get tempted to have a P bass with a bridge pickup, but the urge passes quickly. I have other basses for that. I'm a little off center on a lot of my views though, so I'd bet there's market for a P bass with a J pickup and a preamp. I'd also bet that the Sire is probably near the top of the list in price/value.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I don't get the urge to have lots of cheap basses. I'd rather have one or two good ones.
During NAMM, or after, did we get a street date or price for these? I haven't seen any demos on YouTube yet, but I'm not sure what the exact model name is.
The Sire website doesn't seem to contain any
The Sire website doesn't seem to contain any
There are hundreds of P-Bass versions out there. Don't you think ragging on one of them is a bit extreme? One more outbreak like that young man and you're going to be in "timeout"!
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AndyMan
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Why does this suck for p bass players when the p bass already has a p bass width neck?! Maybe smaller bassists would enjoy playing a p bass that fits their hands for once.
Please people the P7 is still in design stage. From Sire's Facebook page:
Hello Sire Fans!
We have received great responses and feedbacks from our much awaited Sire P7 bass. Sire is in the process of developing this for our fans and we are more eager to listen to the suggestions of our players preference too. So this is only for our research purposes and the actual product may differ regarding the outcome. Here are the differences between a traditional pbass neck and a jazz bass neck:
*PBass Neck- Has a thicker and a wider neck feel. More of a chunky touch too. (U shape)
*Jazz Bass Neck- Has a slimmer profile and a faster neck feel. Just like on the Sire V7 basses. (C shape)
During the 70's, a lot of pbass players changed their necks to a jazz bass neck (c shape profile). Other user comments were more on the comfort side for choosing the jazz bass neck. Also, notable virtuoso player like Bobby Vega switched his pbass neck to a jazz bass neck too. While other players prefer the mass on the pbass neck to get more grip. The feel of the neck can also influence the touch of the user. This goes for more on the playability and feel of the neck. Now Sire wants to know your side of the story. Will you choose the standard pbass neck over a jazz bass neck and why? The result will not mean that Sire will use that neck as a default for our new basses. This will help Sire do our study further.
Please vote for your preference, then we'll decide which one will be for the Sire P7.
Hello Sire Fans!
We have received great responses and feedbacks from our much awaited Sire P7 bass. Sire is in the process of developing this for our fans and we are more eager to listen to the suggestions of our players preference too. So this is only for our research purposes and the actual product may differ regarding the outcome. Here are the differences between a traditional pbass neck and a jazz bass neck:
*PBass Neck- Has a thicker and a wider neck feel. More of a chunky touch too. (U shape)
*Jazz Bass Neck- Has a slimmer profile and a faster neck feel. Just like on the Sire V7 basses. (C shape)
During the 70's, a lot of pbass players changed their necks to a jazz bass neck (c shape profile). Other user comments were more on the comfort side for choosing the jazz bass neck. Also, notable virtuoso player like Bobby Vega switched his pbass neck to a jazz bass neck too. While other players prefer the mass on the pbass neck to get more grip. The feel of the neck can also influence the touch of the user. This goes for more on the playability and feel of the neck. Now Sire wants to know your side of the story. Will you choose the standard pbass neck over a jazz bass neck and why? The result will not mean that Sire will use that neck as a default for our new basses. This will help Sire do our study further.
Please vote for your preference, then we'll decide which one will be for the Sire P7.
Let's not forget the role that the neck plays with respect to sound and sustain! I vote for a neck with some meat on it, which would be U shaped. This does not mean it has to be extremely wide though. 40 mm's at the nut is wide enough.
Imagine that, actually asking customers. I'm personally hoping they make the P style neck standard and offer the J neck as an orderable option.
Cool to see Sire asking their customers about neck shape and width. They seem to be going out of their way to explain why they prefer skinny necks, (do bobby vega and some 70's players outweigh the clear market prefference for p-bass with p-necks?) but at least they're asking.
buldog5151bass
Kibble, milkbones, and P Basses. And redheads.
I think the poll is just a smokescreen. They even said the results of the poll would not determine the decision. I've said for years FMC would be better off with fewer options to save $$$. It seems apparent that in a cost saving measure, they went with one neck for all their basses. No one needs a poll to know more people use the J width neck. That obviously is their decision, and a smart move to offer something of quality at a low cost. But let's not pretend this was some huge gesture for the company.
I think we are all forgetting that these basses were designed and inspired by Marcus Miller, who by the way, plays a Jazz bass. I think it's incredible that Sire is offering any kind of P bass at all.
I'm a P-bass player, pretty much exclusively.
My take on these is that I'm excited for something with a P pickup from Sire, it may actually get me to finally take the plunge. I don't care about the neck, though I do prefer the P neck to the J, just isn't a deal-breaker for me.
I'm holding out for real-world demos, but I'll definitely be following these.
My take on these is that I'm excited for something with a P pickup from Sire, it may actually get me to finally take the plunge. I don't care about the neck, though I do prefer the P neck to the J, just isn't a deal-breaker for me.
I'm holding out for real-world demos, but I'll definitely be following these.
I wouldn't necesarily rely on that bit of info too much. Clearly more people use basses skinny necks, but if the current market is an indicator, buyers either prefer p-bass necks on p-style basses or don't notice that they're not skinny.
Maybe Sire is really onto something, but there have been plenty of j-necked P's over the years from a variety of companies and the majority of P's being sold still seem to have P necks.
