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Noble Amps Preamp

I have used a Noble at church for years and it's worked very well for me. In addition, I'd like to try an EQ pedal to be able to shape the mids more. I'd like to tray a graphic equalizer because it's just easier for me to visualize the adjustments (vs. tweaking dials). I've looked at the Whirlwind, but that seems more like a pre-amp with EQ to me and I don't want to replace the Noble. I've tried searching this thread and have not seen a clear answer on this subject. I'd appreciate any recommendations for an EQ pedal (preferably with sliders instead of dials, but I'm open) to augment the Noble for enhanced mid control. Thanks!
 
I have used a Noble at church for years and it's worked very well for me. I'd appreciate any recommendations for an EQ pedal (preferably with sliders instead of dials, but I'm open) to augment the Noble for enhanced mid control. Thanks!

Sounds like you're looking for this: https://www.boss.info/us/products/geb-7/

I have one for quick tonal adjustments if I need something other than what I can get with my Noble, my Sadowsky preamp or my fingers.
 
I'm getting ready to try a TC Electronic Spark Mini clean boost pedal in front of a Noble. Anyone tried this, and have ideas to share?

For giggles, I asked this question of Perplexity.ai and this is about what I'm expecting:

What are the tonal capabilities when using a Spark Mini boost pedal in front of a Noble tube preamp for electric bass?

Answer
The Spark Mini boost pedal and Noble tube preamp can provide excellent tonal capabilities for electric bass. The Spark Mini is a clean boost that allows you to drive the front end of the Noble preamp harder, adding warmth, harmonics, and saturation from the tube circuitry. This combination can deliver a rich, full, and musical tone with great low-end presence and articulation.
Tonal Benefits
  • The Noble preamp's all-tube signal path imparts natural, musical overtones and gradual, low-order harmonic distortion that enhances the bass tone. This restores dimension and feel lacking in electronic instruments.
  • Driving the Noble's tube front-end with the Spark Mini boost increases warmth, fatness, and harmonic richness while maintaining clarity and punch. The boost allows the tubes to work harder and saturate more musically.
  • The Noble's high 10M ohm input impedance prevents loading down of piezo pickups, preserving dynamics and attack.
  • The Noble's intuitive 2.5-band EQ with low-cut allows shaping the tone precisely, adding low-mid punch, high-end clarity, or low-end thump as desired.
  • The Spark Mini's clean boost maintains your bass's core tone while the Noble preamp enhances and colors the sound in a rich, analog way.
In summary, the Spark Mini boost lets you tap into the Noble preamp's tube warmth, harmonics, and touch-sensitivity, while the Noble's EQ and high input impedance allow precise tonal shaping and dynamic response. This potent combination delivers an exceptionally full, resonant, and responsive bass tone.
 
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I'm getting ready to try a TC Electronic Spark Mini clean boost pedal in front of a Noble. Anyone tried this, and have ideas to share?

For giggles, I asked this question of Perplexity.ai and this is about what I'm expecting:

What are the tonal capabilities when using a Spark Mini boost pedal in front of a Noble tube preamp for electric bass?

Answer
The Spark Mini boost pedal and Noble tube preamp can provide excellent tonal capabilities for electric bass. The Spark Mini is a clean boost that allows you to drive the front end of the Noble preamp harder, adding warmth, harmonics, and saturation from the tube circuitry. This combination can deliver a rich, full, and musical tone with great low-end presence and articulation.
Tonal Benefits
  • The Noble preamp's all-tube signal path imparts natural, musical overtones and gradual, low-order harmonic distortion that enhances the bass tone. This restores dimension and feel lacking in electronic instruments.
  • Driving the Noble's tube front-end with the Spark Mini boost increases warmth, fatness, and harmonic richness while maintaining clarity and punch. The boost allows the tubes to work harder and saturate more musically.
  • The Noble's high 10M ohm input impedance prevents loading down of piezo pickups, preserving dynamics and attack.
  • The Noble's intuitive 2.5-band EQ with low-cut allows shaping the tone precisely, adding low-mid punch, high-end clarity, or low-end thump as desired.
  • The Spark Mini's clean boost maintains your bass's core tone while the Noble preamp enhances and colors the sound in a rich, analog way.
In summary, the Spark Mini boost lets you tap into the Noble preamp's tube warmth, harmonics, and touch-sensitivity, while the Noble's EQ and high input impedance allow precise tonal shaping and dynamic response. This potent combination delivers an exceptionally full, resonant, and responsive bass tone.

It may not have the intended impact, tone "may suffer." On of the things that I noticed is that what I put in front of the Noble impacts the way that it responds. The boost may hit th tubes hard, so after the initial hit, you may get something like "sag", but after that it will just be louder?
 
In my experience with the Noble, it’s a matter of experimentation. Using just the Noble, RedEye, and PJB Super Flightcase, there were about 6 possible permutations of order. I tried them all, and after trying them all, the winner was Noble—> RedEye—> input (not FX return) of PJB SFC.

Everyone on the gig agreed that this was the best sound, but it was counterintuitive. I’d be inclined to trust my ears over AI 8 days a week. As always, EEMMV, and EEMWCB.
 
FWIW, here is Jack Roan's comment in an email to me on the Noble preamp's "maximum output level." Input sensitivity for the QSC PLX 3602 power amp is 1.5Vrms.

I don’t have a firm number for the maximum output level, but I think its around 30-35Vrms. Waaaay more than you would need to drive that [QSC PLX 3602] amp to full power. BUT it does depend on the strength of your input signal. With the EQ flat and volume all the way up, the Noble is adding around 20dB, so if that is not enough you can add some gain in front of the Noble. I think it should work fine though!

Jack
 
I have used a Noble at church for years and it's worked very well for me. In addition, I'd like to try an EQ pedal to be able to shape the mids more. I'd like to tray a graphic equalizer because it's just easier for me to visualize the adjustments (vs. tweaking dials). I've looked at the Whirlwind, but that seems more like a pre-amp with EQ to me and I don't want to replace the Noble. I've tried searching this thread and have not seen a clear answer on this subject. I'd appreciate any recommendations for an EQ pedal (preferably with sliders instead of dials, but I'm open) to augment the Noble for enhanced mid control. Thanks!


This is not the answer you might wish for, but the perfect pedal for that job is the Broughton RFE.
You get low and high pass filters - resonant ones (!), and a single mids knob with adjustable frequency.
The mids have (for my case and my ears) the perfect Q to compliment the Noble's own EQ.
 
The experiment with a boost pedal oversaturating the Noble's tubes didn't pan out. I could boost maybe 1-2dB and then the sound became not pleasing due to clipping. Jack warned me this might be the result and he was right. The Noble is not meant to be used in this manner. The booster works on the outbound side of the Noble if you're into that sort of thing.
 
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One other happy discovery with Noble to share....

First, I asked Jack about the built-in "low cut" switch, how it compares to a High Pass Filter (HPF) like the Fdeck, and what his theory was for its use. He said:

As for the low cut switch, yes this is a high pass filter or HPF. A first order HPF drops at 6dB/octave (or 10dB/decade). Adding additional filter components can increase this to 12dB/octave for a 2nd order filter, 18dB/octave for 3rd order, 24dB/octave for a 4th order filter, etc.

Most solid state filters will be 2nd or 4th order, thus the 12dB or 24dB/octave slopes that you noted. Solid state filters can be made very small and cheaply with opamps, where tube circuits are big and would need more tubes to increase the filter order. 90Hz is the correct “corner frequency” for the Noble HPF but it rolls off so slowly that it takes several octaves to get down to business.

My original idea was to try to dip the bass around the range of the kick drum (60-80Hz usually), but of course guys have found all sorts of uses for that switch like Tim Lefebvre cutting the lows and then jacking the bass knob or Ian Allison told me in a boomy room he likes to cut the bass with the switch and dial some back in to taste with the knob. As far as how to use with an external HPF, I’d say just go with what sounds best to you and your band and your FOH. There’s typically no right answer in art. :)

I used to use Fdeck Series 2 and 3 HPFs when I gigged acoustic bass guitar and then acquired a double bass. The HPF was incredibly useful for cutting the low end junk generated by piezo pickups. I sold the acoustic instruments and am now exclusively electric, but had also sold my HPFs presuming they would not be as helpful.

What triggered my questions was a recent repurchase of a Genz Benz Shuttle 3.0 amp due to a memory of its incredible tone. I've mainly been using the Noble through power amps or the effects loop of an integrated pre/power amp. Leaving Noble out of the chain, when I plugged in my Barefaced Super Twin 212, immediately I heard a refined difference compared to running the Noble through a power amp. As a Noble Convert, I immediately wondered with alarm, "How can this amp possibly sound better than a Noble?" Further investigation revealed the Shuttle 3.0's preamp has a built in HPF fixed around 35-40Hz. Deducing the HPF was the happy culprit, I ordered Fdeck's HPF-Pre Series 3 Mini to test the sonic theory. When I plugged in the new HPF @ 35Hz, it instantly was obvious that the HPF was the difference in sound. When I set the Fdeck to 90Hz, the sound was similar to using just the Noble's low cut switch. That tone is a bit too thin for my ears, but as Jack points out, can be used for interesting applications. This experience is just in my quiet home studio, so I predict it will have the same benefit for live sound. Such a simple solution! After playing around, the 55Hz setting sounds more full and open than 35Hz. Who would have thought??

The HPF-Pre is powered by Noble's 14v jack and Jack's custom cable that boosts it to 18v. The HPF-Pre runs on 9v, but a higher voltage helps provide headroom, according to Francis Deck.

To wrap this story up, I conveyed the experience to Jack, who responded:

That makes sense. The Fdeck pedal is a great way to get exactly the low end control you want, and it’s small and easy to add to your pedal board.​

The moral of the story is Noble is still the #1 tube preamp but sometimes can get a little extra help from a sibling device. For you pedalboard sluts, here's what's now on the Nano+:

Noble - HPF - Tuner.JPG
 
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@IvanBassist I think it was one of your videos that made me decide to try it... you're right, the large format is definitely the way to go. I also double on guitar, so it's going to be on my guitar rig this weekend.
It’s really cool. Unfortunately for me, the form factor is just too big to take on the road.
 
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Recently expanded my horizons with a Cali76CB. The most surprising discovery was how much the Cali's HPF enhances tone even though it's preceded by the Fdeck HPF-Pre Series 3 Mini. Both provide significant benefits. When tracking the bass, I prefer to omit the three small pedals and route the bass straight into the Noble (no EQ) and handle processing in the DAW. The extra space between the Noble and Cali facilitates easy cable plug access.

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FWIW, I've had great, very musical results from the Cali76CB => Noble combination. I also have been known to use a PhatPhuk B boost pedal between the Cali76CB and the Noble. I use the boost below breakup and it adds a very nice, but modest, level increase AND a nice increase in presence (upper mids maybe?) This combination can be a bit tricky as the PhatPhuk is a Germanium transistor device and can get finicky with temp changes, but all this does is cause me to adjust the boost level at sound check. I'm not going for any overt grind with this setup .. particularly not trying to over push the Noble. When I've tried that in the past, I really did not like the results and have come to accept the Noble as a clean machine.

I am in the Tim Lefebvre camp with the Noble. I keep the HPF on and boost the bass (set around 12:00) on the Noble. I've been very happy with my sound with this pedal board for quite a while now, with no urge to add/remove anything. Fender(ish) main tone, with Ampeg(ish) avail if desired from the VT v2.

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Has anyone paired the Cali 76 bass compressor (latest version) with the noble? Good results, I assume?
Also, does anyone gig their Noble regularly, or is it more for studio use?
Any tube failures out at gigs, or mostly smooth sailing?
Very intrigued…
My video on the new cali bass comp was recorded through my Noble. It sounds great :)
 
Has anyone paired the Cali 76 bass compressor (latest version) with the noble? Good results, I assume?
Also, does anyone gig their Noble regularly, or is it more for studio use?
Any tube failures out at gigs, or mostly smooth sailing?
Very intrigued…

I went down the rabbit hole---actually a few of them---trying to find the right combo. I really like the Cali76 (newest version) with the Noble. I am using it at church. It's been smooth sailing.
The Noble sounds great on it's own, but the Cali76 really enhances it nicely. I tried some other nice compressors, but I really like how the Cali and Noble interact.

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Nickybass - how do you like the Gladio with the Noble and the new Cali76 compressor? Better than the DCX bass in that setup?

I really like the Gladio, and it's been a back and forth with the DCX.
The Gladio is more mid focused and I think that helps it stand out in a mix. The DCX has a fuller low end and can be used as a preamp, overdrive, saturation, etc. So, it's a bit more versatile. It also blends in the mix more. Which can be a pro or a con. I think it comes down to what you will be using it for. For my needs, I like that the Gladio 'jumps' out a bit more. It sounds more like going from a clean tone to an overdrive. And the blend and tone knobs add versatility. But, I know that some people like an always on saturated, studio preamp tone, and the DCX might be the better choice for that. It would be nice to have both on the board, but I'm expiriementing with a smaller board and can only pick one.
Both are great with the Cali/Noble combo. Though, most things that I've tried are.