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Overrated bass players

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#701
barbarbass said:
A further resemblance between ******** and opinions; you can kiss mine.
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:eyebrow:

I don't care at all if you think Paul's a bad singer, musician or songwriter. That can be considered a matter of opinion. Suggesting that George Martin wrote all the Beatles' material is not a matter of opinion, it's utterly ignorant rubbish that you may be the first person ever to have suggested. Take it easy on the conspiracy theories and lewd language, please.
 
#703
4StringFury said:
Johnny Myung

Seriously both live and on CD he is so out of the mix that he is almost a non factor. Who listens to Dream Theater for the basslines? yeah hes technical, but if I cant hear him it doesnt matter. Lastly so what hes technical, he cant hold no groove.
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Totally Agree 4String Fury.

Myung can play as the fastest, but i dont see any good idea, even than i like Dream Theater
 
#704
juanete said:
Blasphemy!!! LOL

Paul is great I believe.

To me the most overrated bassist ever is Duff (GN'R). He is probably the worst player in the story of RN'R
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duff mckagen is not overrated because he was never rated in the first place. maybe i dont comb the forums much but i dont really see people singing his praises. i actually think he is a good HARD ROCK bass player, he doesnt slap or tap or play rediculously fast but if you listen to him in terms of how he plays with steven and later matt youll see he keeps the pocket so well and throws in some tasty fills. his tone on appetite was very good and does an excellent job of moving the song along where there is space.

btw i know this is a very old post but i just wanted to defend my hero.

ps. nikki six is actually the worst bass player ever in rock n roll.
 
#705
I hate to invite the wrath of God on my head, but I honestly don't like any of the "OMG chops" bass players like Wooten, Patitucci, et cetera. I used to really love Jaco Pastorius but after about 5 straight years of pretty much worshipping the guy, I got really sick of him and I can't even listen to anything of his anymore. Nothing makes me not want to listen to a bass player more than another bass player telling me "dude, you gotta hear this guy, he's got the fastest hands I've ever seen!" UGH.

Personally the thing I love in a bassist is great tone, and all these bass players with their practically identical 6 string active Bartolini soapbar neck-thru custom-made basses with the huge treble boost and optional breadmaker attachment all sound like the exact same car wreck over and over again to me. A great bass sound, to me, is one that's happy being a bass, and not trying to take over the rest of the sound spectrum. I took up playing the bass because I love the "bump." If your sound doesn't bump, I ain't interested.

Sorry for the big manifesto, but that's the way I feel.
 
#706
4StringFury said:
Johnny Myung

Seriously both live and on CD he is so out of the mix that he is almost a non factor. Who listens to Dream Theater for the basslines? yeah hes technical, but if I cant hear him it doesnt matter. Lastly so what hes technical, he cant hold no groove.
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Yeah, because there's heaps of time for grooving in progressive metal.

That is the most ******** call ever. It's like guitarists who pay out Jason Becker for not having soul, whereas it's their ignorance of the genre that's the problem.
 
#707
Blasting Paul as a bass player is shocking. I mean that guy alone is why allot of us are playing today. To say McCartney is not a good bass player is really naive to me. Macca is a GREAT musician, not just as a song writer. Macca has played all instruments on his solo works, as another gentleman names Stevie Wonder. Listen to the White Album, listen to the bass runs on "I Want You (She's So Heavy)"......the bass line on Penny Lane where he plays & sings lead. To me saying Macca is over-rated is...well, freaking silly.
OK, so if bass players doesn't slap & pop, he sucks? Also, as stated before.....Macca played in a 4 piece band...Jack Bruce & Enwhistle played in a trio setting.

My God....next thing these guys will say is that Glenn Hughes sucks. Of course the next question will be "Who is Glenn Hughes?"
And if that is asked....some of you need to take Rock & Roll 101 all over again.....or maybe buy a book called "Rock & Roll for Dummies!"
Then I'll hear how John Paul Jones is over-rated.

On the Rudy front.....he's a showman.......but he's knows his stuff and is a great player. Maybe you guys didn't like him in the Whitesnake videos?

Wow, dudes........show some respect! :bassist:.
 
#708
And yes, I know The Who was a 4 piece...but only 3 instruments...the Beatles had four w/ vox. Cream also only had 3 instruments & vox.

Glenn Hughes > Trapeze / Deep Purple / Hughes/ Thralls / Hiughes / Gary Moore > Black Sabbath (vox only) solo....check him out...he's a survivor first of all...and a great player / singer.
 
#709
Glenn Hughes is up there contending for the greatest singer in rock. Feel and Soul Mover get regular rotation on my CD player.

And I'll chime in on Rudy Sarzo. I first saw him play in a band called Shatterstar. As they were doing "Freeway Jam", he flipped his hand from under the neck to over the neck. Then, he flipped his picking hand under the body. He never missed a note. Say you don't like what he plays, but there's no chance he's over-rated.

I'm still wrestling with the camps that say Adam Clayton shows tasteful restraint while Michael Anthony is a hack. Both of them fit what is needed for where they are. Sheesh...:hmm:
 
#710
BigSwami said:
I hate to invite the wrath of God on my head, but I honestly don't like any of the "OMG chops" bass players like Wooten, Patitucci, et cetera. I used to really love Jaco Pastorius but after about 5 straight years of pretty much worshipping the guy, I got really sick of him and I can't even listen to anything of his anymore. Nothing makes me not want to listen to a bass player more than another bass player telling me "dude, you gotta hear this guy, he's got the fastest hands I've ever seen!" UGH.

Personally the thing I love in a bassist is great tone, and all these bass players with their practically identical 6 string active Bartolini soapbar neck-thru custom-made basses with the huge treble boost and optional breadmaker attachment all sound like the exact same car wreck over and over again to me. A great bass sound, to me, is one that's happy being a bass, and not trying to take over the rest of the sound spectrum. I took up playing the bass because I love the "bump." If your sound doesn't bump, I ain't interested.

Sorry for the big manifesto, but that's the way I feel.
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I hear your point but I wouldn't call Patitucci overrated. Yes he does have some fast hands and yes, even I, after 5 years of listening to someone exclusively, would get sick of them. I did that with Wooten and Primus, but I would never say Patitucci was overrated.

I'm also looking for great bass tone in music. I for one have a hard time listening to Victor's tone in his Bela Fleck solos. I know the man has some awesome chops and he plays some EXSPENSIVE instruments but his tone just sounds like, just as you said, treble boosted and too clanky.

In this case I would say that the bass, not the player, is overrated. I honestly do think that Fodera basses are way overpriced. I know you can get the same build quality and craftsmanship in a custom made bass costing thousands less.
 
#714
i have an old "Bassist" where it says "Why Nicky Wire is a bassplayer´s role model"
i sure think he´s not.

I also agree that part of being a cool bassplayer is carrying and delivering a good and appropriate tone for what you´re doing.
I play for a country artist, and I try to keep it real steady and simple. Love what Dave Pomeroy does in country.

I like people like Stefan Lessard, Patrick Dahlheimer, Nathan East. Nathan plays with a real good feel and dynamic tone. Got to love him!

I also think Flea´s overrated. He seems to focus more on being hyperactive and crazy..
The album stuff is good though.
 
#716
gweimer said:
And I'll chime in on Rudy Sarzo. I first saw him play in a band called Shatterstar. As they were doing "Freeway Jam", he flipped his hand from under the neck to over the neck. Then, he flipped his picking hand under the body. He never missed a note. Say you don't like what he plays, but there's no chance he's over-rated.
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+1. I'm an admitted jazz-geek these days, but I watched some old clips on YouTube of him playing in the Ozzy/Rhoades band and damn! I challenge any player to play the 16th note bass line under the guitar solo to "Crazy Train." FINGERSTYLE like he did. He and Tommy Alderidge are a great underrated rhythm section.
 
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