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Double Bass Peacock Blows off Costello...

#361
Uncletoad said:
If he was humble and grateful I'd find this diversion humorous and entertaining. In light of his abject arrogance this just seems pathetic.
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TOAD BWANA, this to me is pretty much the essence of what I think about all this sh*t we've been talking about. Wanna get treated like a jerk? Act like a jerk. Respect is a two-way street and it can vanish pretty quickly (someone mentioned Michael Richards?)

Looking at Jarrett haranguing the audience made me squirm in my seat with embarrassment for him. I actually feel bad for him, as he's gotta have some miserable personality disorder problems. His piano-playing part is big and robust -- maybe too much, huh? -- but there must be other parts of him that are misshapen, tiny and shriveled.
 
#363
damonsmith said:
I didn't really have vision for the thread. It has been good see so many different views.
I did not expect many people to take Peacock's side. What was inspiring about it unfortunately is how rare people will actually take a stand about their music.
If your music is not important to you how can you ever expect anyone else to care? The most disturbing part of the the thread has been Michael Case reiterating how it is "Just music" and the other "It's not that big of a deal" type responses.
Tear Peacock and I apart all you want but please, have some self-respect.

As for Jarrett, that attitude has gotten him where he is, he dosen't need a another festival or more fans. IMO, festivals and fans are his problem.
Playing intimate piano trio music at those kinds of venues is probably a real drag. I think he would enjoy playing a lot more if he backed off on his fee enough to get back to much smaller, nice sounding room.
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First off, my turd of a human being comment was related to the Jarrett video and comments I have read in interviews. From what I've seen and read, I don't like the man, but I love his music. As far as Peacock is concerned, I never meant to rip him, never made a comment about his playing or anything other than topic you introduced. In addition I took more objection to YOUR attitude on the subject as well as state my own opinion about Peacocks actions on that night. I was having a discussion with you about THAT topic. People started chiming in about snobbery and other crap which turned the discussion ugly. That's when I started saying "it's only music people."

On to the meaning of my it's only music comment. People start treating music like a world religion "my God is better than yours." People start splitting into camps, then the wars begin. I respect and love music it means the world to me. I don't feel I'm better than anyone else because of the fact that I play music OR because of the music I play. I'm just a guy with a bass making music and hoping to reach someone. I love what I do and feel blessed that I can do it. But in the long run it is ONLY MUSIC!

I need a juice-box and a nap.
 
#364
P.S.

To TroyK, I don't think talking face to face with Damon would be bad. I grew up in Brooklyn, we always had discussions that sound like fights, but in reality are two friends deciding were to have lunch. I have nothing but respect for Damon, I've heard his music and can hear his dedication to it, I know he is serious and has worked hard. I've seen him take crap from people on this board about his music with grace showing nothing but respect towards people making pretty disrespectful comments about his work. Damon gets "props" from me.

We're just louder in Brooklyn that's all.
 
#365
All I can say about Jarrett is it seems like he probably has some serious mental issues, his whole chronic fatigue probably did not help. As I said being a great player more often that not means being alone in a room for long periods with an instrument. I think we could all make some educated guesses about some of Jarrett's reasons.

I used to not get it, the moaning, the wiping his mustache with a towel after a solo, etc. Then I saw him live, and after about three notes you hear that he has something other people don't.
 
#366
Michael Case said:
First off, my turd of a human being comment was related to the Jarrett video and comments I have read in interviews. From what I've seen and read, I don't like the man, but I love his music. As far as Peacock is concerned, I never meant to rip him, never made a comment about his playing or anything other than topic you introduced. In addition I took more objection to YOUR attitude on the subject as well as state my own opinion about Peacocks actions on that night. I was having a discussion with you about THAT topic. People started chiming in about snobbery and other crap which turned the discussion ugly. That's when I started saying "it's only music people."

On to the meaning of my it's only music comment. People start treating music like a world religion "my God is better than yours." People start splitting into camps, then the wars begin. I respect and love music it means the world to me. I don't feel I'm better than anyone else because of the fact that I play music OR because of the music I play. I'm just a guy with a bass making music and hoping to reach someone. I love what I do and feel blessed that I can do it. But in the long run it is ONLY MUSIC!

I need a juice-box and a nap.
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Cool, I get it.
 
#368
MingusAmongUs said:
I'll take your word for it. I couldn't watch it if I tried.
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You don't like extremely high level modern jazz performed by four of the all time great masters?
 
#370
calivox said:
You don't like extremely high level modern jazz performed by four of the all time great masters?
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Whatever you call it, I think it's vomit. We are talking about the same record right? "Parallel Realities" ? Awful. Bad synth sounds. No bass except for Metheny wanking it on a few tracks.

And of the four, I would only reluctantly include Herbie as one of the "all time great masters", and even that's a stretch... this is starting to creep into "genius" territory -- one of the most overused words. Have we had that discussion here yet? That could be another 20-pager. Now I'm not saying they're bad musicians, not at all. They're all a hechuva lot better than me. But all-time great masters? There's a lot, dozens, maybe hundreds of names I'd put higher up on that list.
 
#374
MingusAmongUs said:
Whatever you call it, I think it's vomit. We are talking about the same record right? "Parallel Realities" ? Awful. Bad synth sounds. No bass except for Metheny wanking it on a few tracks.

And of the four, I would only reluctantly include Herbie as one of the "all time great masters", and even that's a stretch... this is starting to creep into "genius" territory -- one of the most overused words. Have we had that discussion here yet? That could be another 20-pager. Now I'm not saying they're bad musicians, not at all. They're all a hechuva lot better than me. But all-time great masters? There's a lot, dozens, maybe hundreds of names I'd put higher up on that list.
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I was referring to the DVD of the live show. No synths in sight or earshot except for a little from Metheny. A lot of killer jazz though.

Herbie only invented a style of piano playing in the '60's that is one of the most emulated in modern jazz but I'm sure you could name hundreds of more pianists who've done that.

Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette aren't really innovators on their instruments but does ANYONE not think of them as among the very best on their respective instruments alive? Both are certainly on the list for all time greats.

I think Metheny is one of the best guitarists on the planet and certainly one the most original. His sound and style are instantly recognizable and highly imitated and he has been at the forefront of modern jazz for 30 years playing a variety of subgenres of jazz with authority.

I saw the Metheny, McBride, Sanchez trio in NYC a few years ago and I couldn't get my jaw off the floor. McBride was great but I felt like there really wasn't anything he was doing that I couldn't do but Metheny...he was like something from another planet. Harmonically, rhythmically, melodically, sonically, he was amazing. I really wish I had a recording of the show because he was rolling off line after line of the deepest, heaviest s**t I've ever heard. I would've loved to study it and figure out what he was doing.

A few years ago, I had a 4 night a week jazz gig. 16 hours of jazz gig a week is a lot of time to fill so we'd do things to make it interesting. Periodically, we'd have featured artist night where we would play nothing but one guy's music all night. These things were always decided on the spur of the moment. We'd have Wayne Shorter night (a personal favorite), Herbie night, Miles, Trane, Joe Henderson etc.

One night, the guitarist brought in the Pat Metheny fake book. It had just been published and we decided to play through it. We mostly did the trio material but we tried a few of the Pat Metheny Group tunes. I know the PMG music sounds like it could be jazz-lite but it is some of the hardest to play music I've ever tried to play. And those guys just whip it off and make it sound incredibly easy. It just kicked our butts up one wall and down the other.

mark
 
#375
calivox said:
Dave Holland and Jack DeJohnette aren't really innovators on their instruments but does ANYONE not think of them as among the very best on their respective instruments alive? Both are certainly on the list for all time greats.
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While it is hard to hear with his tame, middle of the road projects now, Dave Holland was certainly an innovator, check out his work with Anthony Braxton, Sam Rivers, Derek Bailey and the Spontaneous Music Ensemble.
To a certain extent, he was even an innovator in that exact context in terms of finding a role for the double bass in post-fusion jazz groups.
 
#377
damonsmith said:
While it is hard to hear with his tame, middle of the road projects now, Dave Holland was certainly an innovator, check out his work with Anthony Braxton, Sam Rivers, Derek Bailey and the Spontaneous Music Ensemble.
To a certain extent, he was even an innovator in that exact context in terms of finding a role for the double bass in post-fusion jazz groups.
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I agree with everything except the part about "his tame middle of the road project now." I find nothing tame or middle of the road about his new bands. His use of polyrhythms and nested ostinatos hasn't really been done in a jazz context before at least not at this level of authority and harmonic, rhythmic and melodic sophistication. He's really pushing the envelope. The bands are nothing short of astonishing in person or on record.

I realize that they don't do anything that sounds like someone stepped on a cat's tail but really..."tame middle of the road?" Puh-leeze!
 
#379
calivox said:
I was referring to the DVD of the live show. No synths in sight or earshot except for a little from Metheny. A lot of killer jazz though.

mark
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hard to play != good
innovation != taste

Sounds like I should give the DVD a chance. I just thought the album was doodoo. Not my thing. When I think of innovators I think more along the lines of Dolphy, Mingus, Byard, Sun Ra, etc. I guess I have a little purist in me.
 

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