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Double Bass Peacock Blows off Costello...

#501
Yeah, I'm still hearing at the same time, judgments of inferior attempts at art and indictment of integrity and defenses of imaginary attacks on Gary Peacock for the same. It's been very hard to follow and generally as frustrating as the noxious fecal matter in Baby Boy Toad's diaper.

I don't know why I can't just walk away. Must seek counseling. This has clearly not been going anywhere for about 21 pages, pictures of kitties and Terry Garr notwithstanding.
 
#502
TroyK said:
Yeah, I'm still hearing at the same time, judgments of inferior attempts at art and indictment of integrity and defenses of imaginary attacks on Gary Peacock for the same. It's been very hard to follow and generally as frustrating as the noxious fecal matter in Baby Boy Toad's diaper.

I don't know why I can't just walk away. Must seek counseling. This has clearly not been going anywhere for about 21 pages, pictures of kitties and Terry Garr notwithstanding.
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It hasn't gone anywhere, but there have a been many a funny post. Like that one.
 
#503
damonsmith said:
Yes, but some music puts more value on intellectual content than others.
I am thinking of Xennakis' high math concepts, Stockhausen, Cecil Taylor, etc.
Others just want to play music eveyone will like, and some go to great lengths to not make it intelectual.
Just as some musics value virtuosity more than others.
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See, Damon, there ya go sticking in the jab. Maybe you don't know it, maybe you're just being disingenuous as heck, but really... Some music has the intellectual content of high math, and other music is just music everyone will like? Your words, my friend. I spun 'em a little harder than you maybe intended, but you set them out there in more or less that configuration. I gotta think you're spinning on purpose...

This is an ancient discussion we're having. "Apollonian" art is head art, intellectual art. Damon Smith is an apollonian through and through. "Dionysian" art is crotch art, wild art, not processed by the brain. Artists from each tradition have made substantial contributions to human civilization. If we had to get by just on intellectual art I think I might do damage to myself... And please, let's not have any suggestion that Apollonian approaches to art have any more "integrity" than any other. That's ludicrous.

The fact that 30 years later I still know Costello's "Allison" -- haven't heard it in years and years and years -- has got zip to do with payola and the "dark side". It's got everything to do with it being a damned good/effective/enjoyable/memorable/venerable/whatever piece of popular art.
 
#506
Damon Rondeau said:
See, Damon, there ya go sticking in the jab. Maybe you don't know it, maybe you're just being disingenuous as heck, but really... Some music has the intellectual content of high math, and other music is just music everyone will like? Your words, my friend. I spun 'em a little harder than you maybe intended, but you set them out there in more or less that configuration. I gotta think you're spinning on purpose...

This is an ancient discussion we're having. "Apollonian" art is head art, intellectual art. Damon Smith is an apollonian through and through. "Dionysian" art is crotch art, wild art, not processed by the brain. Artists from each tradition have made substantial contributions to human civilization. If we had to get by just on intellectual art I think I might do damage to myself... And please, let's not have any suggestion that Apollonian approaches to art have any more "integrity" than any other. That's ludicrous.

The fact that 30 years later I still know Costello's "Allison" -- haven't heard it in years and years and years -- has got zip to do with payola and the "dark side". It's got everything to do with it being a damned good/effective/enjoyable/memorable/venerable/whatever piece of popular art.
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I am not saying one is better than the other, just which one I generally prefer and why. Both have a place, and their own versions of integrity. I do, however like Dionysian art:
Hermann Nitsch is a favorite:
http://www.ubu.com/film/nitsch.html
And I once took a redeye in and out of NYC just to see Cy Twombly's Bacchus series:
http://images.artnet.com/images_US/magazine/reviews/robinson/robinson12-05-05-1.jpg
 
#508
TroyK said:
A guy I work with said to me this week "That's some sweater you've got there, my friend. Timeless, you can wear that in your 80s." He was smiling, he had a pleasent tone, yet somehow...

I'm so tired. Did someone mention Dilaudid? No, that was the motorcycle accident thread. I gotta go.
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Well, if you like your sweater and Elvis Costello, that is all that matters. Who cares what anyone else thinks? Do you think I care when someone thinks my music and the music I like is esoteric bullsh**?
 
#510
Damon Rondeau said:
See, Damon, there ya go sticking in the jab. Maybe you don't know it, maybe you're just being disingenuous as heck, but really... Some music has the intellectual content of high math, and other music is just music everyone will like? Your words, my friend. I spun 'em a little harder than you maybe intended, but you set them out there in more or less that configuration. I gotta think you're spinning on purpose...
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Clearly I was just pointing to different extremes here, there are lots of other motivations for making music.
My music, for example is far from Xenakis like high math structures, even if I am inspired by his work.
 
#515
fingers said:
Must be the 1/2 Stilton Burger they serve at Goose Island here in Chicago. Whole roasted garlic cloves on top. Mmmm. Love it.
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Uncletoad said:
I may have you ship me one of those.
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Back to the important stuff . . . food and beer. Toad, I would recommend waiting on recieving the shipment of burgers from Goose Island until the fall so you can also have them (or fingers) ship you a case of their "Oktoberfest." I've tried maybe 6-8 American made Oktoberfests and IMO the Goose makes the best. But, I don't know if you are a "beer guy."
 

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