It sure would irritate me.
Enough that I end up lobbying to get that person replaced.
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Pet peeve
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It sure would irritate me.
Enough that I end up lobbying to get that person replaced.
I THINK subconsciously that is the plan.
For $23.00 to play with a keytard that can ONLY play in C,,,
Do you blame him ?
I wouldn't be going to such a gig, but if somehow I had agreed, I would show up on time.
That is because like myself YOU are assertive aggressive.
NOT passive aggressive.
I'll do this once in a while. Life kicks your head in sometimes. Own it and make sure it doesn't keep kicking your head in.
Exactly! It's the only way to deal with these folks regarding this particular issue. The BL goes into this communication repetition mode. As I mentioned in my BL thread, after a long discussion and explanation, he's like Nigel, "But this goes to eleven."
It's not worth it. You just say something subtlety non-committal (I coulda been a politician) and then when you show up late, you honor what you said - Technically.
I reason with people that can be reasoned with. In my occupation that is pretty much everyone. It doesn't work so well with children, adolescents and a lot of the people in the music business. So other tactics are required.
Exactly. Either they listen to my position of not blowing most of a Saturday for a $25 gig or I show up when I please (which still gives us a half hour of sitting around with our thumbs up our butts) and they don't like it so they dump me.
My other band plays this same club with more complicated setup and an hour is more than enough. A half hour is plenty of time. In fact, it can be done in 20 minutes.
It may be that my expectations are different than theirs. If what is acceptable is to drive an hour, show up two hours early, do four hours of music, spend a half hour breaking down and then another hour driving home (9.5 hours), it's not worth $25. Frankly, it's pushing it to invest 8.5 hours. Or six.
My other attitude regarding this is that beggars can't be choosers.
I'm assertive agressive once I get into "righteous indignation" mode. I can do to people, verbally, what a thug does with his fists. I always feel guilty afterward, so I like to avoid it.
Or 2 hours.
It has been my contention for quite a while, I'll play for free.
I will NOT however load up MY gear, using MY labor, drive MY car to and from, exert MY @$$ to play roadie, and listen to YOUR B.S. for FREE.
$25.00 won't cover GAS.
Yeah, I might play for $100.00 ONCE for a venue or gig, but I won't be happy about it.
But if you're going to play a show with me, even for free, you will show up at least two hours in advance. We will be doing a sound check by the one hour mark, unless its a multi-band or other such special circumstance, and I have no problem at all understanding that you simply do not accept those terms, and don't want to be in a band with me.
Different people do things different ways. It's important we remember, and accept that.
But if you're going to play a show with me, even for free, you will show up at least two hours in advance. We will be doing a sound check by the one hour mark, unless its a multi-band or other such special circumstance, and I have no problem at all understanding that you simply do not accept those terms, and don't want to be in a band with me.
Different people do things different ways. It's important we remember, and accept that.
My biggest pet peeve is bands who show up right before they are supposed to go on, and load in directly in front of the stage while you are playing...and/or bands who play and then leave the show, also usually putting gear away and loading out right in front of the band on the stage.
When I first started playing back in the 80's if you did either one of these things you did not ever play again. There is very little band-to-band respect anymore. The "hang" was one of the coolest parts about playing in the past. The other HUGE peeve is when the bands who rudely leave early come asking for their cut of the door later on that week...usually via Facebook or some other form of non-human contact. We never pay those bands. We have a policy that if you want your cut, you have to work the entire job.
When I first started playing back in the 80's if you did either one of these things you did not ever play again. There is very little band-to-band respect anymore. The "hang" was one of the coolest parts about playing in the past. The other HUGE peeve is when the bands who rudely leave early come asking for their cut of the door later on that week...usually via Facebook or some other form of non-human contact. We never pay those bands. We have a policy that if you want your cut, you have to work the entire job.
Yeah. It really is a cultural thing. And because I like to show up an hour before show time, I've got my setup procedure down to a science. It's quick and efficient. If I used a digital board it would be even faster. I've actually set up for gigs where we plugged in and, with about 30 seconds of sound check, went live and people complimented us on our sound. Dead serious. There have also been circumstances where it didn't sound right no matter what we did.
My biggest fail was at a club where I did my standard settings and a few people told us we were too muffled or something and I deviated from my own best judgement. By the end of the first set people came up and told us we sounded awful and downright painful. I brougt everything to within the range where I normally set it and the rest of the gig went great.
I run sound from the stage. There is no sound man. Using my wireless bass pickup is a must to get it right. I didn't have it that night we sounded bad and, in error, trusted the feedback of random people.
I've only done a few shows where there were multiple bands but, yeah, I consider it disrespectful to leave while the band after you is playing. If I'm gonna leave, it will be during the break between them and the band that follows. As an audience member, I also won't leave in the middle of a song. I'll wait until a song is done or, better yet, leave during their break. Common courtesy.
You hit the core issue. I've said for years that the "work" we get paid for is the setup and teardown. I like to drive (especially the spectacular twisties around here) but I HATE to just sit around. So sitting around, setting up, and tearing down are the things that are best avoided. If I can reliably set up in 30 minutes (easily known if I've played the club before), then I'm early if I arrive 45 minutes before the gig.
BTW, starting on time is imperative to me. And I've been in at least one band that show up two hours earlyand STILL started 5 to 10 minutes late every time. GRRRRRR!
If I'm playing a show at a venue at which I've never played and/or it's a very special event/gig, I'll show up a couple of hours early. But to me, showing up two hours early to a gig is like showing up an hour early for my day job.
To be clear, the word "early" is a bit of a misnomer. Using the concept of Just in time (JIT) where you start with an end product and calculate backwards the time required to perform each preceeding critical path task: If it takes 20 minutes to set up but has taken as long as 45 minutes to set up, from the time your car hits the parking lot, then showing up 45 minutes before the gig is showing up "on time". Anything earlier than that is showing up "early".
That's why I consider showing up an hour before a gig to be showing up a half hour "early", but I'm willing to do that to make the band happy. If it's not enough, then I might be in the wrong band. And that's ok.
We are a four piece, but our setup is ridiculously complicated. Both my wife and I play bass, using different basses, through different amps. She has her own monitor system, that is separate from the main PA. Our guitar player has a half-stack, and way too many effects. We all sing. My wife and I both use vocal harmonizers that have to have guitars plugged into them. I play acoustic, and she plays electric. She has a Marshall valvestat amp. The acoustic is through the PA, but I have a distortion unit for it, so I can add some heft to certain songs. I also play keyboards, which I have wired in stereo. I send our break music through the PA via the keyboard. Different things have different effects, EQ and compression. Every room is different, so we have to set everything for the room. The settings may have to change, if the room fills up, or empties out.
Bottom line: WE ARE NUTS.
Bottom line: WE ARE NUTS.
Sorry, but this is my pet peeve. People deciding how professional they will be based on pay. Don't except jobs if you don't think the pay warrants being a professional. There is nothing professional about not honoring your commitments.
If I were in your band I think I'd show up THREE hours early.
Dude, I've shown up SIX hours early. There are people who have left this band that get Inspector Closeau's boss's eye twitch if you mention my name to them.
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