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Enough with the melodrama. Your post is a ridiculous strawman.
Nobody has to go to a show if they think it will be too loud for them. Nobody is being forced to listen to music that will damage their hearing.
If you go to a show where a stoner/doom band will be playing, and you forget your ear plugs, that's on you. It's a genre known for its very high volumes. You don't get to blame the band for your ringing ears because you were too stupid to bring ear protection, and once there, too stupid to leave.
I've actually had much less ringing in my ears since I got into doom metal. You know why? Because once I got into the genre, I realized that it would be a good idea to get some quality ear plugs. Because I'm not an idiot.
The measures you can take to protect your hearing (ear plugs) are no secret, and commonly used by many people who go to these shows. If you find it too loud, but want to stay, you can usually ask around for ear plugs, and someone will have spares, or the venue will have them.
If you go to a show and suffer hearing damage, it's your own damn fault. Same as if you ride a bike without a helmet, fall off, and crack your head.
^What Satori said. I suppose we ought to move into an age of high-db prohibition, with highly isolated Speakeasy's where the cabs grow tall.
(Edit) And yes I am writing a concept album about that now.
(Edit) And yes I am writing a concept album about that now.
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Here's what bugs me. Some dude will come into amps forum and complain that his SVT fridge rig isn't cutting it. Naturally most of us, including the outraged on this thread, will give advice that doesn't include getting another fridge. Then regardless of genre someone will invite the dude to hang out with the S/D crowd, where there is no such thing as too loud. You can't have it both ways. You have to own the bad with the good.
Lol, you should. Unrelated, but I see you're in SLC. Do you know SubRosa by any chance?
That's why I tend to ask, if I participate in such a thread, what the context of the band is.
And yeah, it's true, in the S/D crowd there isn't really such a thing as an absolute too loud. I prefer with my own band to be at the maximum volume level that still allows for every instrument to be heard.
The reason for people inviting the person to hang out with the S/D crowd is that we don't see volume itself as a problem, whereas I think a lot of people on talkbass do. And generally such invitations are mostly if the person shows themselves to be inclined towards that kind of music, as we can give advice geared specifically towards that, and have some idea of what the person is trying to do. A bunch of people basically dismissing the person's complaints with "you're too loud, turn down" (which I'm sure you know happens) isn't helpful and can be pretty discouraging.
SubRosa are a doom metal band, from SLC. Guitar, bass, drums... and two electric violins. SubRosa - The Usher (live at Hellfest).
Really chill people, too, though their performance at the Oakland Metro was one of most intense I've seen.
two words - nanny state. this attitude in life that we must save people from themselves and that the person taking offense must change the person giving offense is what is reprehensible. Seriously....get off the control bandwagon and on to the freedom bus...or were you being sarcastic?
Let's not make this political.
There are plenty musical events that don't have such high volumes as to be dangerous to people's hearing. And there are ear plugs, which serve as ample protection against high volume levels.
Im with you on that one. personal choice ya know.
Enough with the melodrama. Your post is a ridiculous strawman.
Nobody has to go to a show if they think it will be too loud for them. Nobody is being forced to listen to music that will damage their hearing.
If you go to a show where a stoner/doom band will be playing, and you forget your ear plugs, that's on you. It's a genre known for its very high volumes. You don't get to blame the band for your ringing ears because you were too stupid to bring ear protection, and once there, too stupid to leave.
I've actually had much less ringing in my ears since I got into doom metal. You know why? Because once I got into the genre, I realized that it would be a good idea to get some quality ear plugs. Because I'm not an idiot.
The measures you can take to protect your hearing (ear plugs) are no secret, and commonly used by many people who go to these shows. If you find it too loud, but want to stay, you can usually ask around for ear plugs, and someone will have spares, or the venue will have them.
If you go to a show and suffer hearing damage, it's your own damn fault. Same as if you ride a bike without a helmet, fall off, and crack your head.
I am saying that in any public place, a bar, a concert hall, or wherever people are making a profit from entertainment, you do not have a right to play any sound, ANY SOUND at a level that can damage peoples' hearing. In a club environment, for example, the patrons may have imbibed in alcohol, which dulls their senses, and could cause them to be unaware of how loud the sound is. Furthermore, the average person may not realize the long-term results of listening to music past a certain level.
What gives you, as a musician or DJ, the right to damage human tissue? It's not a strawman. When you play at over 110 db, you are ruining peoples' hearing. You simply do not have the right to do this. Nanny state? I'm sorry, no one should be allowed to pollute the air you breathe, serve you poison in your water or food, or create a sound environment that is toxic.
You do not have the right to damage others' hearing.
Key word: Quality.
Genre aside you will find people sucking it up, running gear poorly, and not understanding slotting in the mix. None of that is unique to any playing situation. Some people may not appreciate a certain genre of music, but that does not lessen its quality to those that do and understand what the target of the music is.
But that is just it, some times an SVT and 810 isnt enough. Some times the people with those issues are not slotting them selves in their mix correctly. Who better to assist them with finding that effectively? Some times they are trying to do things that the 810e just wasnt ment to do, like have a eff tone of low end below 100hz, then yeah adding a second 810 makes a lot of sense as it is in most cases cheaper than swapping out to a new cab (You can pick them up for ~$500 used here.)
The other reason the S/D has people interested come in to their thread is because it has evolved in to its own community here on TB. There are about 100,000 posts in the chain. Let that sink in. We talk about a lot of stuff ranging from gear, to personal lives, and everything in between. Some times we invite people there because we want more info on their band, or feel that they may add something to our conversation.
Labels aside, sometimes that rig isnt enough.
Because 400 watts is more
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Or you want to push more low end.
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Or because you want to bi amp and split your clean/dirty signal over 800hz.
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You have the right to leave the venue. You also have the right to do lots of other stupid things on a daily basis, and the right to remove yourself from situations where others are doing something you feel is dangerous for you.
Yeah dude, if you're gonna quote me, do it in the correct context of my reply. Thanks a bunch!
Read back. I already said I did not condemn loud music genres or this or that, I enjoy them just fine, but like it more when it's agree / unified / cohesive / musical. My ire is moreso with them singular dudesters who simply cannot play well with others and always have to be "one louder" than the rest because their frail egoes cannot handle being complementary to the group and cannot handle not being a "spotlight". The reply you quoted was in the spirit of that.
@mellowinman I personally miss having smoking in bars and I've been a nonsmoker for a decade. When the laws changed so did half the bars I went to. Now they serve nachos and watch ball games sometimes have like music before it was live music, pool and darts.
I'm specifically talking about dive bars, motorcycle clubs and rougher establishments. You know, the ones more inclined to have heavy music?
Sure there should have been nonsmoking bars before but we didn't need laws to change that and we don't needed decibel laws either. I get that no one wants to be "poisoned" unknowingly but folks need to take some responsibility for their actions too.
I'm specifically talking about dive bars, motorcycle clubs and rougher establishments. You know, the ones more inclined to have heavy music?
Sure there should have been nonsmoking bars before but we didn't need laws to change that and we don't needed decibel laws either. I get that no one wants to be "poisoned" unknowingly but folks need to take some responsibility for their actions too.
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My apologies then, when I quoted you I was scanning over looking for comments like "non-musical" or stupid. I can edit that out of my post if you feel it's in bad company?
Coincidentally in America those other people have the same right to leave.
It isnt like anyone shows up to some nice sunday brunch, ties people to their chairs, and then sonically assaults them.
I reiterate with: Dont like it, then leave. Walk out.
Naw, it's no big my Bass Brother, just wanted to clarify. No harm done.
