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Playstation 4 VS Xbox One
- Thread starter TheJetsFan4Eva
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I will give you the benefit of the doubt and say this is worded poorly. In no industry is a success measured by losing money, which is what your statement indicates. Reading into the statement, it appears you say that despite selling 3.4 million copies in the first 3 weeks, it lost money.
The issue therein is that if 3.4 million copies (times $60 equals $204 million) makes you lose money, then you were ******** to outlay that type of cash for developing a computer game.
End of story. Your management deserves to be canned for stupidity.
There are several millions more people paying taxes now than there were when I was a kid. Taxes have not lowered. Sales prices won't lower either.
The decline in great games has happened already. It's been declining for two generations of consoles. That's 12-13 years to you and me.
The graphics have only gotten better. The games themselves have gotten worse. Almost spectacularly worse, in some cases.
There's another viewpoint. I'm not limited financially. In fact, I can buy anything for a PC and have it paid for by my work. It won't cost me a dime. But... I'd rather be on a console.
Why, you ask?
I work on PCs and with PCs and servers and clouds and databases and telecommunications and everything under the sun all day long. When I get home, I don't want to think about futzing with drivers, cables that are out of spec (a lot of them are, believe it or not), mystic voodoo weirdness or any of that jabberwonky bs that are typical of PCs, at any given moment.
I just want to simplify and relax. Plug in a game and play.
A console fits that bill, nicely.
Besides, my main PC sits in my living room already, has xbox controllers attached and emulates a lot of old game consoles already through xbmc... yes, it's a media center with about 4 TB of storage (and already needs serious upgrading for storage as it's completely full up).
I'm a long-time Sony hater. As in, you will never see someone with legitimate greivances hate Sony more than me. I'm not just a fanboy, I hate the company for some of its FUD tactics and lies it's done in the past. For some of its intrusive anti-piracy methods for killing suspected systems remotely. For introducing a hundred different proprietary formats for no real viable reason other than a totalitarian control of a market.
And with the Xbox One (xbone), if MS stays their course, I will not be party to it. I will move to Sony. OR abstain from consoles altogether and re-think my "consoles are easy" tenet.
It's amazing that for a company so thoroughly intune with businesses and migrating them to new versions of applications and operating systems, that they completely mistepped with the xbone.
I blame the millions who netflix exclusively through their console. That data made some zipperhead Microsoft exec believe that the 360 was being changed into a non-gaming platform.
And Microsoft made their decision.
And I have made mine.
Futzing is life tho. My brother, an Xbox fanboy (Xboy?) once said "can't fix loading".
If it doesn't work well (which I just basically feel like Xbox/GameStop/the gaming industry is a ripoff that lets "the blind" throw their money to the stores vs educating people.
I'm sick of getting reamed with BS like not being able to mod games, that used to be THE FUN!
I still think about my old days of playing THE ORIGINAL grand theft auto, loading in strange fan designed cars and psychedelic art and interesting tweaks like changing a car's setting so when you slammed on the gas the car took off like a rocket.
Now? It's all about "what's real looking".
No way in hell I'd allow an XBone spy machine into my house. That nonsense combined, with ridiculous digital rights management make the XBone a big Hell No.
Oh those were he days..
Thats all anyone ever did on grand theft auto. Be ridiculous and cause mayham
Well, the last saint rows does allow you to beat people with a giant purple dildo. Just sayin'
Well, the last saint rows does allow you to beat people with a giant purple dildo. Just sayin'
San Andreas did too.
It's not all about mayhem.....it's about art.
The fact is, while playing SR3 or Dead Island...yea, they are good games. They have a great feel to them. But I'm sick of games being made with guesses on what appeals to gamers.
"Hey it's saints row, lets let a guy have a boner baseball bat".
.......great, but did you ever think maybe the users should be able to create?
Like what about a .....idk, a bomb strapped to a throwing knife.
Creativity got me into gaming, and lack of made me want to leave consoles.
I am going to get that new Xbox, put on 30 pounds/stop shaving, and make sure I'm butt-naked every time I'm in front of that camera.
I urge everybody on the entire planet boycott Xbox One. It's about time everybody kicked Microsoft in the balls, they've gone too far this time in my opinion. It would have to have the best exclusive in the world for me to even consider buying it at the moment.
Microsoft are the last company in the world I would trust with any of my personal information, and now they are going to put one of the most advanced camera/motion tracking devices available in your household.
One of their major selling points was that "Anybody in your house can play your games, friends can even come over and play them" which just shows you how terrible what they've done is. Since the days of NES people have been able to play your games on your console in your house, I really don't see how that is a "feature".
What you can't do is sell your games, give them away, swap them, trade them etc. as you have been able to for the past, well, forever.
If the publisher allows it, you will be able to sell second hand games ONCE, to xbox live friends only, and then they are locked to that account. You will be able to trade games at specific pre-approved retailers also, again if the publisher permits it. The publishing giants (Ubisoft, EA, etc.) have been pushing always online DRM for years, so we can all pretty much bet on them going the no trade-ins or resale route, and I'd wager most other publishers will follow suit once they can get away with it.
You can't rent games as of yet, unless Microsoft integrate a system for doing so into Xbox live. You can't burrow games, and to top it all off and enforce these policies, you have to connect to the internet at least once every 24 hours in order to use the console at all, even to play single player games.
In my opinion Xbox One is shaping up to be the single worst event in all of videogaming history. My only hope is that it might yet fail miserably due to the draconian restrictions that have been put upon the user, but I doubt it
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Kinect sensor has to detect a presence in the room for the console to operate. You're either on camera or you're not using it.
But the microphone is on 24/7, even if the unit is turned off. So, even if it's not looking, it's listening.
I work with a PC all day, and then I game on the same PC all night
I can certainly understand where you're coming from there though, although I think it's getting a little less that way all the time to be honest. Once upon a time consoles had that plug-and-play aspect which was quite attractive, but these days half the time your PC is less screwing around and easier to use than a console, by the time you put the disk in and download updates and buggerise around with it all.
I remember a huge draw of consoles used to be that you could whack in a new game and play it right away, wheras on PC you had to wait patiently for it to install and set stuff up. What ever happened to that! Nowadays you have to install it, download a bunch of updates (Day 1 patches anyone), all the stuff that you never had to do.
I'm honestly thinking that a lot of the trade-in features and transferring ones are an afterthought. It seems like the rumors first started going around and people got pissed off, they heard the outcry, and then they've tried to patch things up with a few crappy last minute ideas.
I don't know if that's actually the case, but it certainly seems that way. Like some sort of half-assed backflip.
Although given the way the Xbox One seems to work with games so far, I'm really surprised they didn't remove the optical drive altogether and just go digital download only. Plenty of the world isn't really capable of it yet (lots of areas here in Australia have very limited internet access), but even downloading a day 1 patch is going to be extremely painful (and in cases, impossible), and as you have to connect to the internet every 24 hours, I assume they are going to be compulsory.
Yeah I certainly expect so, but they'll still struggle to keep up, they always do. I'm gonna assume the Kinect is plugged in via USB, or simply some USB that doesn't look like a USB. If somebody is really clever, you'll be able to get an iPhone app to do it
Regardless, I'm not gonna buy one anyway, the Kinect is just the icing on the cake as far as this colossal screw-up is concerned in my opinion.
Another thing that has been skipped over a bit is that Xbox Live Arcade (XBLA) is going away, locking out thousands of indie developers. Another example of M$ shooting themselves in the foot.
If you're an aspiring developer, it was easy for you to get the Xbox SDK and copy of Visual Studio and start programming. Using Microsoft's tools (.NET, DirectX, etc) you were also learning skills that would translate to their other platforms (Windows and WinPhone). Now, with the demise of XBLA, if an indie developer wants to get started coding games and wants to make a bit of money, where are they going to go?
Only one choice really - Apple.
iOS games can be very lucrative (more so than XBLA was, and far more so than Android). Microsoft are pushing developers into the open arms of their competitors. The legendary game developer Jeff Minter of Llamasoft (over 30 years in the biz, did the music visualisation code for both previous Xboxes, and prolific user of XBLA) has given up on Microsoft. He's already moved mostly to iOS and will also be doing stuff for the PS4.
If you're an aspiring developer, it was easy for you to get the Xbox SDK and copy of Visual Studio and start programming. Using Microsoft's tools (.NET, DirectX, etc) you were also learning skills that would translate to their other platforms (Windows and WinPhone). Now, with the demise of XBLA, if an indie developer wants to get started coding games and wants to make a bit of money, where are they going to go?
Only one choice really - Apple.
iOS games can be very lucrative (more so than XBLA was, and far more so than Android). Microsoft are pushing developers into the open arms of their competitors. The legendary game developer Jeff Minter of Llamasoft (over 30 years in the biz, did the music visualisation code for both previous Xboxes, and prolific user of XBLA) has given up on Microsoft. He's already moved mostly to iOS and will also be doing stuff for the PS4.
Being able to patch a game isn't always bad - see Superman 64 for an example of a game that could have used patching (or fire, probably fire). Finding the glitches and bugs was always a fun extra with console games.
It's not remotely the same as troubleshooting an issue, or finding a patch online and updating it.
With a console, it just updates automagically.
I had forgotten the dismemberment of XBLA. I am one of those that spend a bit of money on XBLA because honestly, those are the more fun games in general than the same-old, same-old boring titles (as a rule--I love me some Forza, etc).
And one of the stupid moments of no backwards compatibility is realizing that "hey, I have no embedded reason to stay with any given platform, I might as well jump ship and go with what seems to be the better gaming platform since I already have my television needs handled by xbmc... ironic isn't it, that I use xbmc (xbox media center was the name originally)."
Yeah, might as well go to PS4 or as I said earlier, PC... or nothing altogether.
So do most modern PC games. I mainly use Steam and that keeps all my installed games up to date, don't even need to start the game to get it to start updating.
You had to so the whole patch hunting thing in the days before this current generation of consoles, when you couldn't patch console games.
Also, this "always on" requirement ignores people like me - casual gamers who don't play multiplayer games and have no interest whatsoever in joinging teams/guilds, playing in persistent worlds or stuff like that. Even if you didn't play those sorts of games on the XB1, you still need to have gamer "friends" in order to sell on your games. I've had a 360 for five years and have never added anyone as a friend on Xbox Live.
I like immersive, single-player games with a storyline. Me versus the game designer. Am I the exception rather than the rule these days?
I like immersive, single-player games with a storyline. Me versus the game designer. Am I the exception rather than the rule these days?
Same here.
If I'm going to do multi-player gaming I'd much rather do it on my PC, anyways.
