Of all consoles, the PS2 is rare in that regard. Most consoles don't have a longevity more than a couple of years after a newer console comes out.
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Playstation 4 VS Xbox One
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Of all consoles, the PS2 is rare in that regard. Most consoles don't have a longevity more than a couple of years after a newer console comes out.
Without doubt, that's why I was highlighting it. Pretty epic that it's last release is only shortly before the release of the successor of it's successor!
Though on saying that, there were still SNES and Mega Drive games being released up until 2000 and 2002 respectively, which is also pretty damned epic!
Though on saying that, there were still SNES and Mega Drive games being released up until 2000 and 2002 respectively, which is also pretty damned epic!
Now, that's not exactly true.
The wii came out late in 2006, the wii U 2012.
6 years
The 360 came out in 2005, the one will be 2013.
8 years
The PS3 2006, the PS4 2013.
7 years
GameCube 2001 - 2006 (wii coming out, but it was only discontinued in 2008)
5 years
Etc.
As far as I'm concerned these are long intervals. I personally don't keep my PC's that long. And keep in mind those are the years it took for a new gen to come along, not actual discontinuation.
Yea but if you look at the time that usually counts (3-5 years) where it's still fresh, what is that? I mean.....wii went six but the last two or three were LONG.
360 took a little time to optimize I hear.
PS3....haven't heard a ton about any of their game specifically.
In console years, the length should almost be halved because by the time it gets quality software, ppl have already determined the limits. If you really wanted, you could keep upgrading the PC. Consoles may as well be in an arcade considering just how every model changes.
No worries Ziltoid. I've done that too.
I don't believe the 360 took time to optimize. It was all Direct X and the hardware wasn't anything the PC wasn't using at the time anyway.
It may have taken /some/ developers some time to optimize that weren't programming 360 games or were focused on PS2 games at the time and moved into 360 development. But that's just learning curves with any new platform development.
I had heard the exact same thing for PS3. That it was a nightmare to program for initially.
The more I see on this next generation, the more I want to move away from MS.
I have multiple 360s in the house. I bought one of the broken ones years ago to try to find a way to "fix" the red rings. I determined that you can't fix bad design decisions. The substrate layers in the PCB were so flimsy that when it heated up, it flexed the printed layers and caused disconnects. This is why the towel trick worked. You were heating it back up and "resoldering" the disconnects.
But even that was likely a temporary fix due to it heating up again at some point and disconnecting.
At least I had fun designing a new cooling system for mine with a new copper heatsink and air ducting and some really fine thermal paste. But even this didn't alleviate the substrate problems. (I'm not kidding, I could flex the PCB at least a full inch (maybe 2 if memory serves). That's really bad.
Anyway, I digress. The point is that MS makes some really bad decisions. Will they spend $3-6 Billion this time to try to pull themselves out of their boneheaded misteps?
I'm not down for nearly every aspect of their decisions.
° No XBLA
° No realistic trading/reselling (Yes, I've seen thier overly simplistic recap.)
° Daily checkins for playability
° Always on Kinect
I can't overlook their daily checkins. I might can overlook each of the others individually but taken as a whole, there's no way.
The more I look at PS4 the more I want to swing that way.
I saw something in a feed that suggested that PS3 games inserted into a PS4 would be recognized and download the PS3 game from PSN or something.
Does anyone know if that's true?
AFAIK, the high failure rate of the units that had the RROD was simply due to using too powerful a power supply. Those had 14.2 amps while the newer power supplies used only 12 and that fixed the problem.
My power supply is 12 and its never had a problem our the RROD ever.
SirMjac28
Patiently Waiting For The Next British Invasion
The amp load was due to a more efficient CPU which drew less power.
http://www.dvice.com/archives/2010/06/has_microsoft_f.php
It's an idea a lot of people have thought up and some have put to Sony. It's probably not going to happen, but if they did go ahead with it, they'd win themselves a lot of extra brownie points. More than they already have.
They have said they are going to have emulated versions of as many PS3 games as possible that you can download. The idea is that if they have the games available on an emulated platform (avoiding the hardware limitations which cause problems with backwards compatibility), and you have a blu-ray drive, surely the console can read the disc, verify it's authenticity and then allow you to play the emulated version so long as the disc is present.
It makes perfect sense, I really hope they do go ahead with it, but they haven't promised anything yet to my knowledge. It seems like if they were going to do it somebody at Sony would have thought of it quite some time ago and made it a major selling point.
Apparently the difficulty with the PS3 was because it used a proprietary processor, though I'm not sure how much of an issue it really was.
I'm not sure if it works that way, though I have heard they'll be doing cloud based emulation of older games.
Hmmmmm sounds like steam box might be the sneaky contender after all seeing how ppl talk about the big two 
Really interested in that one too.
No idea what the spec will be like. One of the steam boxes I've seen was pretty small, so I'm not sure how powerful they'll actually be.
Still going back and forth on how to put together my next PC, not sure if I'm going to stick with conventional tower or put together a gaming PC in an HTPC style case and have it sat under the TV. Really want to make use of Steam Big Picture either way
No idea what the spec will be like. One of the steam boxes I've seen was pretty small, so I'm not sure how powerful they'll actually be.
Still going back and forth on how to put together my next PC, not sure if I'm going to stick with conventional tower or put together a gaming PC in an HTPC style case and have it sat under the TV. Really want to make use of Steam Big Picture either way
Really interested in that one too.
No idea what the spec will be like. One of the steam boxes I've seen was pretty small, so I'm not sure how powerful they'll actually be.
Still going back and forth on how to put together my next PC, not sure if I'm going to stick with conventional tower or put together a gaming PC in an HTPC style case and have it sat under the TV. Really want to make use of Steam Big Picture either way
It's supposed to be three sizes of machine, in " good". "Better," or "best".
But in already seeing its a system applicable to any gaming worthy PC build, I have a hard time believing the console war will continue.
Ah, didn't realise they were looking at different tiers. The one I've seen, that looks quite neat, though worryingly small, is the Piston.
I've been saying that for a while too, consoles are just getting closer and closer to being PCs, though it may be that they never truely coalesce. On saying that, they do still serve different purposes, some folks don't want to have to worry about spec, they like knowing they won't have to upgrade something for games to work etc. (ok, some consoles did have potential for upgrade, but it's not common).
I've been saying that for a while too, consoles are just getting closer and closer to being PCs, though it may be that they never truely coalesce. On saying that, they do still serve different purposes, some folks don't want to have to worry about spec, they like knowing they won't have to upgrade something for games to work etc. (ok, some consoles did have potential for upgrade, but it's not common).
Yea I saw that to me. Looks like a super fancy chrome paperweight.
Still, think about it. With the power put out these days, we could have split screen even coming to the PC market in full hd. People are getting tired of the product segregation ("this one does THIS and that one does THAT and oh THAT one is great for THIS")
Hmmmmm sounds like steam box might be the sneaky contender after all seeing how ppl talk about the big two
Waiting to see what Steam do with the whole Steambox thing. I've got a few ideas as to what they're working on, but they definitely have a few big changes in the works I believe.
They have the Steambox project they have been working on for years, info on "Piston" dropped recently at CES which turned out to be a small modular computer/console, which is a pretty cool concept, but valve have said since that Piston is not the "Steambox" and that they will develop the hardware for the Steambox internally to retain maximum control over the hardware and design.
I have a sneaking suspicion they are working on their own gaming orientated operating system. With them diversifying into linux games, and the general attitude towards gaming on Windows the timing is looking right to make some big changes. Gabe himself has made a lot of comments about Windows 8 sucking and him wanting to move away from Windows as much as possible, as well as wanting to head towards linux, and just diversifying in general. Steam has also recently being pushing their distribution platform for more than just games, with software and utilities appearing on steam for sale etc.
The fact that they are developing their own box of some sort, as well as working with other companies to develop hardware, and aiming to be a lot more linux friendly as well as pushing developer to go that way give me the feeling they've got something big in the works.
I'm expecting a linux based "Valve OS" of sorts. Their console will run on it, the Piston will run on it, other devices developed will run on it, and presumably gaming PC's can run it. Their entire market will be linked into a single distribution platform like Apple and Android (Steam store, as opposed to iTunes store etc.), they'll have their flagship device on launch which will be the "Steambox", as well as having Piston, and they'll open up the market for other companies to manufacture the hardware and use their operating system like Google are doing with Android and now the Chrome OS.
I also assume that they'll simultaneously release Half Life (episode) 3 on the new source engine to kick-start the whole thing, which will all be optimised for their new OS and linux, thus providing "launch games" of sorts, as well as opening up a huge opportunity for anybody who wants to develop for it by using the new source engine.
All just purely speculation, but the boot seems to fit. They're doing something big related to Linux, Gabe wants to throw off the shackles of Windows and Microsoft dependency, so going out on your own as a standalone platform seems like the logical choice, they've got the power to do it these days for sure.
I've lost hope of ever playing that game but the valve box does look cool.
On a related note I bought the last game insider today while chilling at the mall. It's the PS4 issue. I had not realized bungie was developing a ps4 game, sounds neat to me. It will ease up the transition
I've lost hope of ever playing that game but the valve box does look cool.
On a related note I bought the last game insider today while chilling at the mall. It's the PS4 issue. I had not realized bungie was developing a ps4 game, sounds neat to me. It will ease up the transition
Yea I you tubed the phrase "half life 3" on my phone and was startled to see the guys that simply made half life 1 mods and called them "half life 3".
