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Playstation 4 VS Xbox One

#141
Simo98 said:
Waiting to see what Steam do with the whole Steambox thing. I've got a few ideas as to what they're working on, but they definitely have a few big changes in the works I believe.

They have the Steambox project they have been working on for years, info on "Piston" dropped recently at CES which turned out to be a small modular computer/console, which is a pretty cool concept, but valve have said since that Piston is not the "Steambox" and that they will develop the hardware for the Steambox internally to retain maximum control over the hardware and design.

I have a sneaking suspicion they are working on their own gaming orientated operating system. With them diversifying into linux games, and the general attitude towards gaming on Windows the timing is looking right to make some big changes. Gabe himself has made a lot of comments about Windows 8 sucking and him wanting to move away from Windows as much as possible, as well as wanting to head towards linux, and just diversifying in general. Steam has also recently being pushing their distribution platform for more than just games, with software and utilities appearing on steam for sale etc.

The fact that they are developing their own box of some sort, as well as working with other companies to develop hardware, and aiming to be a lot more linux friendly as well as pushing developer to go that way give me the feeling they've got something big in the works.


I'm expecting a linux based "Valve OS" of sorts. Their console will run on it, the Piston will run on it, other devices developed will run on it, and presumably gaming PC's can run it. Their entire market will be linked into a single distribution platform like Apple and Android (Steam store, as opposed to iTunes store etc.), they'll have their flagship device on launch which will be the "Steambox", as well as having Piston, and they'll open up the market for other companies to manufacture the hardware and use their operating system like Google are doing with Android and now the Chrome OS.


I also assume that they'll simultaneously release Half Life (episode) 3 on the new source engine to kick-start the whole thing, which will all be optimised for their new OS and linux, thus providing "launch games" of sorts, as well as opening up a huge opportunity for anybody who wants to develop for it by using the new source engine.



All just purely speculation, but the boot seems to fit. They're doing something big related to Linux, Gabe wants to throw off the shackles of Windows and Microsoft dependency, so going out on your own as a standalone platform seems like the logical choice, they've got the power to do it these days for sure.
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Problem at hand tho is there are still plenty of software compatibility issues with Linux. I always look at threads related to taking my favorite DAW(fl studio) and running it and there's always a plethora of guys with random distributions still trying to get just that program alone running solid.

Microsoft is respected because well...billy boy did quite a job at encouraging almost everyone to make it the go-to.
 
#142
scorpionldr said:
Problem at hand tho is there are still plenty of software compatibility issues with Linux. I always look at threads related to taking my favorite DAW(fl studio) and running it and there's always a plethora of guys with random distributions still trying to get just that program alone running solid.

Microsoft is respected because well...billy boy did quite a job at encouraging almost everyone to make it the go-to.
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Yeah, if they were to go that way there would definitely be teething issues. Valve would of course develop their games to run on their own platform, and all source engine games would be developed with compatibility in mind, but a lot of other developers would take a while to adjust. That being said, there is already a catalogue of some 200+ Linux ready games on steam, growing daily.


Microsoft have had a monopoly on a lot of things over the years, but they're losing it all bit by bit. I think Windows would take a decent hit if somebody came along with a genuine bit of competition in the gaming side of things.
 
#143
I think the PS4 is going to be the better overall sytem based on the specs ive seen. That being said XBOX has always been more cost effective and more popular. The decision to try to make it an all in one sytem rather than just a gaming console like it should be is kinda dissapointing. They are just trying to reach a larger group to boost profits. that goes for PS4 a little too.
 
#144
I liked the instructional video from SONY on how to share games on the PS4.
Guy says "Here's how you share games with your friends on the PS 4."
Step 1 - holds up game box
Step 2 - Hands game to friend
Step 3- friend says "thank you"
Guy says, "That's how you share games on the PS 4."
THE END (LOL)
 
#145
Simo98 said:
Yeah, if they were to go that way there would definitely be teething issues. Valve would of course develop their games to run on their own platform, and all source engine games would be developed with compatibility in mind, but a lot of other developers would take a while to adjust. That being said, there is already a catalogue of some 200+ Linux ready games on steam, growing daily.


Microsoft have had a monopoly on a lot of things over the years, but they're losing it all bit by bit. I think Windows would take a decent hit if somebody came along with a genuine bit of competition in the gaming side of things.
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I see the windows game as this: people dislike change, they try to work the system in a different way, it doesn't happen, and they learn its better or curse it out. Frankly I've always just used windows like windows......but really I don't think they'll lose anything. There are too many factors like registries and dll files with rule in software.
 
#146
scorpionldr said:
Yea I saw that to me. Looks like a super fancy chrome paperweight.

Still, think about it. With the power put out these days, we could have split screen even coming to the PC market in full hd. People are getting tired of the product segregation ("this one does THIS and that one does THAT and oh THAT one is great for THIS")
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Bog standard HD, 1080 pixels in a 16:9 aspect ratio is pretty dull in the PC world already. Heck, been running 1900x1200 for the past ~6 years and looking to go 5760 x 1080 for the next build :hiding:

I'm not so concerned about the power front, it's the heat buildup in a small box (well, in the case of the Piston).

I hope more companies start making use of 3D monitors for games, not really just for the 3D, but in place of split screen (each player has a set of glasses which has a matching pair of polarisers, instead of the mixed set used for 3D watching).


Simo98 said:
I have a sneaking suspicion they are working on their own gaming orientated operating system. With them diversifying into linux games, and the general attitude towards gaming on Windows the timing is looking right to make some big changes. Gabe himself has made a lot of comments about Windows 8 sucking and him wanting to move away from Windows as much as possible, as well as wanting to head towards linux, and just diversifying in general. Steam has also recently being pushing their distribution platform for more than just games, with software and utilities appearing on steam for sale etc.
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I suspect this is true, though while the Linux market may be growing, the Windows market covers more games than any other.

Gabe got stroppy because there was potential that people wouldn't be able to install programs like Steam onto Windows 8. He also seemed to get in a bit of a strop because they were going to have their own gaming library software. They are pushing a diversity of games, but I can see Windows being top dog for quite a while still.


Simo98 said:
I also assume that they'll simultaneously release Half Life (episode) 3 on the new source engine to kick-start the whole thing, which will all be optimised for their new OS and linux, thus providing "launch games" of sorts, as well as opening up a huge opportunity for anybody who wants to develop for it by using the new source engine.
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Quite likely, though it'll probably just be HL3 by this stage. Remember when they told us how episodic gaming was good because they could realease smaller, cheaper games more regularly that full games. Hah!


C.Linton said:
I liked the instructional video from SONY on how to share games on the PS4.
Guy says "Here's how you share games with your friends on the PS 4."
Step 1 - holds up game box
Step 2 - Hands game to friend
Step 3- friend says "thank you"
Guy says, "That's how you share games on the PS 4."
THE END (LOL)
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It's brilliant :)


mikyd522 said:
I think the PS4 is going to be the better overall sytem based on the specs ive seen. That being said XBOX has always been more cost effective and more popular. The decision to try to make it an all in one sytem rather than just a gaming console like it should be is kinda dissapointing. They are just trying to reach a larger group to boost profits. that goes for PS4 a little too.
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Depends on your definition of cost effective, the pay-to-use online service with the last xbox was a weakness compared to the free-to-use PS3 setup.

Cost-wise, the original xbox and PS2 had similar launch prices and the PS2 was significantly more popular that the xbox (24 million Xboxes sold vs 155 million PS2s). The PS3 was more expensive than the basic 360 at release, which certainly hurt PS3 sales (that and the ~year lead the 360 had), both units have a similar number of sales with estimates at ~77 million, with the PS3 having been around for a shorter period of time (and fewer re-buys!).

The goal of the xbox with microsoft was never just to make a games console, it was always to try and get microsoft products into the living room, more as a home entertainment system type deal.

I think Microsoft may have to make a few changes this year in the run up to final release, nobody wants a one sided race!
 
#147
i_got_a_mohawk said:
Bog standard HD, 1080 pixels in a 16:9 aspect ratio is pretty dull in the PC world already. Heck, been running 1900x1200 for the past ~6 years and looking to go 5760 x 1080 for the next build :hiding:

I'm not so concerned about the power front, it's the heat buildup in a small box (well, in the case of the Piston).

I hope more companies start making use of 3D monitors for games, not really just for the 3D, but in place of split screen (each player has a set of glasses which has a matching pair of polarisers, instead of the mixed set used for 3D watching).
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I think it would be much more interesting to see a bunch of guys with small screens playing a LAN and putting it out to a HDTV. If this sounds naive....well, I've never had LAN parties. Considering split screen in most functional consideration is extinct....that's what I'd like to see the rise of in gaming "in the living room."

But yea, Microsoft is stuck. Even my own brother who swore Microsoft was the greatest admitted he was interested in moving to PC, as the processing if both new machines can't go much farther, he isn't a Sony fan, and being basically DRM blocked is just going to be a new PIA.
 
#148
I think it depends really on how many people you want bundled into it.

While the processing won't go much further, consoles can be streamlined and considering the spec of the PS3 and 360, you were still able to get pretty awesome graphics. You can have a more streamlined OS and games can be catered more directly to specific hardware.

However, I saw this and thought you'd like it:

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#149
i_got_a_mohawk said:
I think it depends really on how many people you want bundled into it.

While the processing won't go much further, consoles can be streamlined and considering the spec of the PS3 and 360, you were still able to get pretty awesome graphics. You can have a more streamlined OS and games can be catered more directly to specific hardware.

However, I saw this and thought you'd like it:

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Lol that picture DOES sound like what I'm saying. Just also realize at one point where there was a long time when I said "**** PCs". That ended after I realized settling for any one system is, to a degree, letting yourself be choked.

Bundling people? Never really thought about it. I'm just totally against the marketing scheme of "oh, you MUST pay for Internet AND our gaming network!"
 
#151
I've never had a problem with any Sony electronic that wasn't caused by my children, a jar of jelly, and a matchbox car.

I find it hilarious how butthurt Xbox owners get when I say "I have ps3, like an adult"

my real reason for having the ps3 is as follows god of war 3, metal gear solid 4, and the 360 controller severely cramps my hands in very little play time.
 
#152
It's funny... Sony used to be the Apple of their day. They made the coolest TVs (Trinitron), the Walkman, the slickest home hi-fi, the Vaio laptop and so on. But they lost their mojo somewhere along the line and more or less the only area in which they've remained cool and aspirational is in gaming, with the Playstation range. They did back some dud technologies though - Betamax, Minidisc, Memory Stick, etc.

I'd like to see Sony reclaim some of their former glory. If there's another consumer electronics company who might be capable of competing with Apple in the "cool" stakes, it's them - they have the pedigree, but, right now, not the vision or the products. Apple need the competition - and their competition isn't Microsoft.
 
#153
Rusty Chainsaw said:
It's funny... Sony used to be the Apple of their day. They made the coolest TVs (Trinitron), the Walkman, the slickest home hi-fi, the Vaio laptop and so on. But they lost their mojo somewhere along the line and more or less the only area in which they've remained cool and aspirational is in gaming, with the Playstation range. They did back some dud technologies though - Betamax, Minidisc, Memory Stick, etc.

I'd like to see Sony reclaim some of their former glory. If there's another consumer electronics company who might be capable of competing with Apple in the "cool" stakes, it's them - they have the pedigree, but, right now, not the vision or the products. Apple need the competition - and their competition isn't Microsoft.
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Sony lost their vision along the way even on Playstation when their marketing FUD scared people into not buying Sega and holding out for Sony. It was made worse when you looked at the numbers they were telling on the PS2 and realizing that the claims were numbers that even $500,000 sgi systems couldn't do. But hey, Sony could do it for under $300!

It was further exacerbated when Sony installed root kits on audio CDs. The very thought that a company could wipe your system remotely because they thought you were a pirate is unsettling.

Some of those technologies Sony introduced were superior than the competing tech. Betamax, for instance, was far superior than VHS. It even survived for years in broadcast studios because it was a superior technology.

Apple? Well, Apple has its own sins and I never look at a company as being "cool" or not. Just look at them and ask if they can deliver or not.
 
#155
Tarrbot said:
Sony lost their vision along the way even on Playstation when their marketing FUD scared people into not buying Sega and holding out for Sony. It was made worse when you looked at the numbers they were telling on the PS2 and realizing that the claims were numbers that even $500,000 sgi systems couldn't do. But hey, Sony could do it for under $300!

It was further exacerbated when Sony installed root kits on audio CDs. The very thought that a company could wipe your system remotely because they thought you were a pirate is unsettling.

Some of those technologies Sony introduced were superior than the competing tech. Betamax, for instance, was far superior than VHS. It even survived for years in broadcast studios because it was a superior technology.

Apple? Well, Apple has its own sins and I never look at a company as being "cool" or not. Just look at them and ask if they can deliver or not.
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Sony are indeed guilty of a multitude of sins. Any tech company who gets arrogant and tries to force people into doing things "their way" gets a lot of flak. They've all done it though - Sony, Apple, Google and Microsoft. I disliked the fact they removed the ability to use Linux on the PS3, the whole rootkit debacle, and, of course, the non-standard ATRAC compression they forced people to use on their Minidisc and digital Walkmans. But they are one of the few companies who actually have the ability to define or seriously disrupt a market segment - they did with the Walkman, the CD (with Philips), the original Playstation (which turned video games into a "cool" pursuit), and, most recently with Blu-Ray.

They have backed the right technology in the format wars on occasion - Blu-Ray ended up beating HD-DVD, for instance. And yes, Betamax was technically a better system than VHS, but they restricted its use too much in its early days to the point that VHS got the upper edge with consumers (blame porn :D ). Although, as you rightly say, it came good for them as they do more or less own the market segment for tape-based professional video with Betacam.
 

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