Poor babies…

[crazyBassClown]

If I was an artist touring these days relying on a system running tracks, etc for playing my music, even if my tech had it dialed, you can be damn sure I'd have a copy of the system myself

If I was touring at that level I'd make sure I had competent techs that could do it for me, same as guitar/amp techs, FOH Engineer, lighting engineer, stage manager and on and on.

How is by making them prove the backup works as per \/

A colleague and I have created a policy for our group, that you have to prove that your installation can be reproduced -- installed from backups on a new computer by following documentation -- before any major review or deployment. The only way to get there is to actually try to do it.

 

[Ethanol]

I watched Julie Slick plug her bass into a laptop and kick absolute ass.

If it has all their plugins/sounds/Ableton etc. then yes they would be scrwewd without a backup...

This is exactly what I was thinking too. A lot of djent and metalcore bands just use plugins these days and not real amps, due to travel convenience and tone consistency. I wouldn't be surprised at all if both guitarists and the bassist all ran through those laptops as their entire rig and they literally had no sound without them

 

[Bassique]

This is exactly what I was thinking too. A lot of djent and metalcore bands just use plugins these days and not real amps, due to travel convenience and tone consistency. I wouldn't be surprised at all if both guitarists and the bassist all ran through those laptops as their entire rig and they literally had no sound without them

Yea and alot of those bands also have backing tracks which are quite important part of their sound, so they often play to the click so everything is aligned right. I dont have problem with that at all, if it means better experience for the audience to enjoy.

 

[pbass2]

If I was touring at that level I'd make sure I had competent techs that could do it for me, same as guitar/amp techs, FOH Engineer, lighting engineer, stage manager and on and on.

Of course those guys would have to be on point, and that's what you'd hire them for.
I'm just saying it's so easy to have a copy of it yourself and know how to use the tech that me being my usual controlling, obsessive-compulsive self, I'd have my own ready to implement copy too!

 

[crazyBassClown]

Of course those guys would have to be on point, and that's what you'd hire them for.
I'm just saying it's so easy to have a copy of it yourself and know how to use the tech that me being my usual controlling, obsessive-compulsive self, I'd have my own ready to implement copy too!

I've learnt with age(and potentially wisdom) that you can't do everything yourself so you just have to let others do some of the stuff and trust them(in all things not just music stuff).
And clearly the guys in the OP were not "on point" or this thread wouldn't exist...

 

[ShadowOfLight]

What's the best laptop for metal?

A metal one. Plastic shells don't resonate as well as metal ones do!

 

[Jay2U]

A metal one. Plastic shells don't resonate as well as metal ones do!

Uranium 238 being the most suitable metal.

 

[DJ Bebop]

I watched Julie Slick plug her bass into a laptop and kick absolute ass.

If it has all their plugins/sounds/Ableton etc. then yes they would be scrwewd without a backup...

John McLaughlin was one of the first cats I saw doing that year's ago. He was using a laptop with all of his effect and amp sounds coming from plugins and going DI to FOH from the laptop:

"The Guitar signal arrives from an M-Audio 410 via FireWire to the computer ("G4 Laptop") . I send it directly through Invalid Link Removed 2, which is a very nice program, add some delay, and then it is bussed into 2 more channels which are then EQ Logic Pro 7 has some very nice PlugIns, and I use the channel strip EQ for each channel, and add a bit of chorus to each channel. This makes the sound more random in terms of chorus, less predictable. Of course, you can do a little more EQ on these channels to get the exact tone you want.
The output of these two channels is sent through outputs 1 2 of the M-Audio 410."

Then year's later he went with just a pedal board to FOH.

 

[Nuage420]

John McLaughlin was one of the first cats I saw doing that year's ago. He was using a laptop with all of his effect and amp sounds coming from plugins and going DI to FOH from the laptop:
"The Guitar signal arrives from an M-Audio 410 via FireWire to the computer ("G4 Laptop") . I send it directly through Invalid Link Removed 2, which is a very nice program, add some delay, and then it is bussed into 2 more channels which are then EQ Logic Pro 7 has some very nice PlugIns, and I use the channel strip EQ for each channel, and add a bit of chorus to each channel. This makes the sound more random in terms of chorus, less predictable. Of course, you can do a little more EQ on these channels to get the exact tone you want.
The output of these two channels is sent through outputs 1 2 of the M-Audio 410."

Then year's later he went with just a pedal board to FOH.

I could see them using neural DSP for sure

 

[bass12]

I'm not a big fan of backing tracks. That being said, their place in the current scene is pretty much inevitable. If tracks aren't used for budgetary reasons (there has been a lot of pressure to trim down live outfits to the bare minimum) then they're being used for production purposes (maintaining a certain production aesthetic). Live shows are entertainment and, musicians aside, it doesn't seem to me that most people's enjoyment of a live show hinges on whether or not tracks are used.

 

[Nuage420]

I'm not a big fan of backing tracks. That being said, their place in the current scene is pretty much inevitable. If tracks aren't used for budgetary reasons (there has been a lot of pressure to trim down live outfits to the bare minimum) then they're being used for production purposes (maintaining a certain production aesthetic). Live shows are entertainment and, musicians aside, it doesn't seem to me that most people's enjoyment of a live show hinges on whether or not tracks are used.

Tosin made a great observation as a judge on the show No Cover, to paraphrase he said in today's scene technical ability and song writing prowess no longer corelates with a bands popularity.

 

[basscooker]

What has happened to the first rule of show business? Is "the show must go on" not a thing?

Sub-optimal circumstances are life.

We don't know very many specifics. What I do know is that this isn't a boy-band who only provide vocal and dance. It's a band. The instruments, PA and associated stuff was still present, yeah? Was this a festival with lots of other groups? Make it work, fellas. Apologize for the lack of rehearsal for this scenario, and seek forgiveness from the audience for a bumpy set. But just do the thing.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts any number of members from the other acts on the bill would have been happy to participate in helping in some way to get them through the set.

It just seems to me that even if really important production bells and whistles are missing, the group that allegedly wrote and recorded the songs in the set should be able to perform the vital parts to give the ticket holders a show.

 

[Will_White]

What has happened to the first rule of show business? Is "the show must go on" not a thing?

Sub-optimal circumstances are life.

We don't know very many specifics. What I do know is that this isn't a boy-band who only provide vocal and dance. It's a band. The instruments, PA and associated stuff was still present, yeah? Was this a festival with lots of other groups? Make it work, fellas. Apologize for the lack of rehearsal for this scenario, and seek forgiveness from the audience for a bumpy set. But just do the thing.

I'd bet dollars to doughnuts any number of members from the other acts on the bill would have been happy to participate in helping in some way to get them through the set.

It just seems to me that even if really important production bells and whistles are missing, the group that allegedly wrote and recorded the songs in the set should be able to perform the vital parts to give the ticket holders a show.

For a lot of it, "the vital parts" are samples the first song that comes up the actual instruments don't come in until half way through with the first half just Radke singing/rapping over a beat and samples, they also run their instruments through their computers for their effects. Its more complicated then scrounging others rigs for something.

 

[basscooker]

Fair, but there are drums, yeah? I don't know the group. I don't know their songs.

In your example, how about just don't do that one, or improvise the beat and go old school with just a basic framework of the song.

Just in MY OPINION majorly unprofessional excuse that a BAND can't even go up, clarify the situation to the audience and just make it work.

I'm a chef. 90% of my job is to shut the "f" up and make it happen. I accept I'm biased in my opinion, and am comparing apples and oranges here, but are they professionals or not?

 

[sleddogn]

they may have using that Vinilli software program, non-replaceable

 

[rutrho]

Tosin made a great observation as a judge on the show No Cover, to paraphrase he said in today's scene technical ability and song writing prowess no longer corelates with a bands popularity.

Curious if you have a link to that anywhere, not that I don't believe ya, I'm just curious about the context as I'm a pretty big fan of stuff he's done.

For a lot of it, "the vital parts" are samples the first song that comes up the actual instruments don't come in until half way through with the first half just Radke singing/rapping over a beat and samples, they also run their instruments through their computers for their effects. Its more complicated then scrounging others rigs for something.

Oh yeah. I think one of the more entertaining aspects of this discourse is how many folks don't quite appreciate or understand the production that goes on with some acts in that scene... lol. Yeah, the band might have written the songs/lyrics/had input in the music, but a lot of the live performance aspects come down to the producer for a run of shows like this and it often requires a lot of work to reproduce outside of the production/stage context if its not being handled as a stage production.

 

[Will_White]

Fair, but there are drums, yeah? I don't know the group. I don't know their songs.

In your example, how about just don't do that one, or improvise the beat and go old school with just a basic framework of the song.

Just in MY OPINION majorly unprofessional excuse that a BAND can't even go up, clarify the situation to the audience and just make it work.

I'm a chef. 90% of my job is to shut the "f" up and make it happen. I accept I'm biased in my opinion, and am comparing apples and oranges here, but are they professionals or not?

If you went to a metal show would it be more unprofessional for the band to not play a show or to play the show with an acoustic guitar and minimal PA

Fair, but there are drums, yeah? I don't know the group. I don't know their songs.

In your example, how about just don't do that one, or improvise the beat and go old school with just a basic framework of the song.

Just in MY OPINION majorly unprofessional excuse that a BAND can't even go up, clarify the situation to the audience and just make it work.

I'm a chef. 90% of my job is to shut the "f" up and make it happen. I accept I'm biased in my opinion, and am comparing apples and oranges here, but are they professionals or not?

To use your kitchen as an example, if you showed up and your stoves and flatops were gone would you still open for service? You can cook somethings in the oven after all.

 

[basscooker]

If you went to a metal show would it be more unprofessional for the band to not play a show or to play the show with an acoustic guitar and minimal PA

To use your kitchen as an example, if you showed up and your stoves and flatops were gone would you still open for service? You can cook somethings in the oven after all.

1. They had their instruments. It was a festival. There was no gear shortage or lack of available PA.

2. Yes. Salads don't need cooked, and microwaves are readily available. Actually I HAVE opened for service with NO power. As long as water is running, surfaces can be sanitized and dishes can be washed. Ice for proper cold holding is available at any convenience store.

I am a professional. I will make it work. I am talented at my chosen craft. Sub optimal is life happening in real time. Missing one puzzle piece and throwing in the towel is amateur behavior. Not having redundant vital equipment is just shameful and truly unprofessional.

I'm not a fan, I don't care. I didn't buy a ticket, I don't care. I'm expressing my opinion on an internet forum. I'm not a signed, touring musical professional. Props to them for getting there. I wish them luck and hope the gear turned up. I just think it's a half-@$$ excuse and kinda disappointing that it seems they didn't even try to figure something out so the FANS who support them and BOUGHT a ticket to see them got shafted.

You can disagree. I'm ok with that. I hope they find a way to make it right. There's bound to be at least a few folks who put in a LOT of effort to get to the show, secure accommodation for maybe days, attend the whole event and even buy merch.... just for them to cancel.

And in an effort to understand how possibly important these laptops are/ how much of their art relies on non-traditional sounds; I'm headed to YouTube right now. I may be off the mark, but if they fall into (like any) rock genres there really shouldn't be acceptable excuses for bailing on the fans, IMO.

 

[Nuage420]

Curious if you have a link to that anywhere, not that I don't believe ya, I'm just curious about the context as I'm a pretty big fan of stuff he's done.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLH22-xSMERQpZnMhWHWQCkElifPpX-m8v

I can't remember which episode but I highly recommend watching the whole series. Lots of great music and a fun show.

 

[boing]

Publicly dumping on the crew? I wonder if that’s the reason their laptops went “missing” to begin with.