Hey, I like KoRn and I like Fieldy. It's all good, although I may admit a lot of KoRn songs all sound the same....Anywho, I really never listen to AC/DC because the lead-singer-guy (forget his name..) gives me a tremendous headache, but next time I hear them, I'll see if you're right about his bassing-skills. But, I must add I don't feel BAD for Fieldy, I mean, being a musician, (or famous at all for that matter) requires you to put up with a lot of crap. So, (to Fieldy, or anyone else aspiring to become a pro-basser) perhaps if you can't handle a flame every-so-often, maybe you're in the wrong profession.
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Poor Fieldy :(
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No way! He's okay. Not everyone can be a Billy Sheehan... Not everyone has to. I am sure that VH songs sound better with him holding down the low end than someone else. It's become part of the style for VH. Also, EVH is a OKAY guitarist. But he didn't do anything by himself. VH was a team effort... as bands should be.
Yamaha makes the Michael Anthony bass, and its actually a killer bass.
As for the rest of the thread...
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'DONT BASH FIELDY, BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS!'
If you guys can't understand why CW and MA did what they did, then how are we to know you to be informed enough to understand anything about who is "good"? Technical doesn't always mean good. Look at EVH.
And finally, STOP MENTIONING ME!
As for the rest of the thread...
. BIG .'DONT BASH FIELDY, BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE SUCKS!'
If you guys can't understand why CW and MA did what they did, then how are we to know you to be informed enough to understand anything about who is "good"? Technical doesn't always mean good. Look at EVH.
And finally, STOP MENTIONING ME!
Fieldy is disliked because he's not good. Not because specifically of his band, although the rest of his band isn't very talented either... I bring up the song "ADIDAS" (A)ll (D)ay (I) (D)ream (A)bout (S)ex.
Now I don't write lyrics for a living or anything, but I'm sure I've written better lyrics.
I may not be the BEST bassist either, but I venture to say I'm better than Fieldy. As for the piccasso thing... Fieldy will never be as good as Jaco Pastorius or Chris Squire. That's something he couldn't even dream of.
His music may fit in metal very well... But with all due respect to the metal fans... Metal's not the hardest genre of music to play by a long shot.
The key to metal is playing fast, if you can do that? Regardless of if you're in tune or anything with the rest of the band, it'll sound fine.
I used to jamm in a metal band, because they needed a bassist. They'd all go down in drop D (both guitarists) and I'd stay in standard, they said I was the best bassist they ever jammed with. But I wasn't even playing anything remotely talented, only just simple (fast) measures while throwing in a slide here and there.
Yeah!!! WOoh HOOO!! lets here some more random crap!!! c'mon folks!!!! I get a kick out of this when I can't quite get to sleep!!! Yeah!!! Michael Anthony is Good!!! Metal doesn't require tuning!!! Yeeh haw!!! vanHalen is team effort!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAQHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excuse, me I have to go study some Adam Clayton bass lines....*
*I reserve the right to be an ass like everyone else in ridiculous thread's like this...I do hope you people are laughing when you post stuff and not fuming at each other, that would be truly sad.
Excuse, me I have to go study some Adam Clayton bass lines....*
*I reserve the right to be an ass like everyone else in ridiculous thread's like this...I do hope you people are laughing when you post stuff and not fuming at each other, that would be truly sad.
This is a very mature and well thought out thread, with quality responses that aren't in the least biased and are well educated and researched. You should all be proud of yourselves.
C-Eye, how did you play in standard if they are in dropped-d? You'd have to play their D and D#... I won't even go into what you said about metal. Its far too general, and not even true (in general). I don't remember hearing that the "key to metal" is playing fast.
Anyhow, this thread is pretty stupid.
BTW, nice spelling, blisshead.
C-Eye, how did you play in standard if they are in dropped-d? You'd have to play their D and D#... I won't even go into what you said about metal. Its far too general, and not even true (in general). I don't remember hearing that the "key to metal" is playing fast.
Anyhow, this thread is pretty stupid.
BTW, nice spelling, blisshead.
well I think the point got across anyway, wasn't exactly going for quality there big guy. Hope I didn't make you feel bad.
btw do yourself a favor and look up the word sarcasm.
btw do yourself a favor and look up the word sarcasm.
Awww.. well I tried...
I was actually starting this thread with the message of, Can't well all just get along?
Blisshead, do yourself a favor and look up "subtle", "sarcasm" and "humorous", and think of them in conjunction with each other. Then, if it still doesn't make sense, look up "overkill".
FizzleFry, if the message is "can't we all get along", how come you keep making fun of other players? Think about that for a little while...
FizzleFry, if the message is "can't we all get along", how come you keep making fun of other players? Think about that for a little while...
Well there Angus it looks like I got you upset. You obviously didn't get my first post, it was a joke, the point of which was ridiculous state that the thread had turned to. If your comprehension skills were higher you would realize we were in agreement. I was going for overkill, so you at least got that. You didn't find it comical at all, in fact so not funny that felt you had to reply. Must've struck a nerve. I guess I'm pretty well done with this, so reply or whatever, I will not be after this. It's all in fun there tough guy!! go easy!!! I didn't insult your playing or your mother or anything. Lighten up.
Originally posted by Angus
This is a very mature and well thought out thread, with quality responses that aren't in the least biased and are well educated and researched. You should all be proud of yourselves.
C-Eye, how did you play in standard if they are in dropped-d? You'd have to play their D and D#... I won't even go into what you said about metal. Its far too general, and not even true (in general). I don't remember hearing that the "key to metal" is playing fast.
Anyhow, this thread is pretty stupid.
BTW, nice spelling, blisshead.
The thing is, metal can be out of key and it doesn't matter, I can play a Low E while they're playing their D and it'll sound fine, since their guitars have ass settings on.
all this fighting about who's the best and who sucks is irrelevant because everybody sucks except me.
Okay, so being a rock bass player, part of your job is also being a composer (or arranger) of sorts.
Let me tell you a little story. I spend most of my time these days playing orchestral double bass, so I spend a lot of time playing some of the greatest bass parts ever written by the greatest composers - Beethoven, Mozart, Puccini, Verdi, Shostakovich, etc... Do you realize that there are a lot of times I'm sitting there counting A LOT of bars rest. Why? Because the great composers know that the bass doesn't have to be playing every second of every piece. Furthermore, many have used the bass to great effect by leaving it out for long stretches so that when it does come back in, the effect is that much more powerful.
Well, that's exactly what Cliff Williams is doing. Those songs where he doesn't play all the time, are some of the AC/DC songs that I really like, 'cause when the bass does come in, it's gives the whole band that extra lift over the edge. It's very well planned IMO. Just like Shostakovich would have done it.
Cliff's use of pedal tones (holding one while the chords change over top) as mentioned by someone else earier, is a very old, time honoured compositional technique that goes back hundreds of years to before Bach's time and has been used by every great composer since. It creates this great tension in the music and when it is finally released, the effect is fantastic.
IMO Cliff Williams is one of the few rock bass players who really has the message that he is not the focal point of the universe. He understands the music and does a top notch job of supporting and puncuating the music of AC/DC with exactly what it needs.
If you ask me, Cliff plays a heck of a lot more WITH the band than just about anybody. He's looking at the big picture and is giving the band's sound exactly what it needs. There's a guy who's secure with himself and doesn't play notes 'beacuse he can' or because he needs to write especially clever lines to earn his keep, or impress everybody in the audience or other bass players. He looks at what the music needs and doesn't add stuff that doesn't belong there just to satisfy his ego.
hey Les, don't you know all idols are empty? they preach and preach but their morals only run as deep as the surface. idols are created so we can sss up and say it's okay we'll never be as good as Mingus. but what do i know. i only think too much, it's a curse you know, to know how this place really is.
Who is this "Fieldy" individual?
Is he a musician of some sort?
And why all of this discussion about "Korn"?
Is this some sort of Country-Western band?
Is he a musician of some sort?
And why all of this discussion about "Korn"?
Is this some sort of Country-Western band?
re. Cliff Williams, I particularly like the line he plays on "Money Talks" or "Are you ready" on the Razor's Edge album- the switching between octaves and the counterpoint fill in the chorus, and also switching between playing straight eighth notes (usually with muting) and doubling the guitar riff- all simple stuff, but to me subtleties like this are what guitarists CAN'T do (or don't notice) when they have a go on your bass- even if they can rip out the fast licks.
Thank's to the man above for threads like this one. I spend most of my day repairing computers. At any given time, I have at least 5 systems sitting on my workbench. The computer on my desk is usually tuned in to Talkbass (I have a cable connection) while I work. When things get monotonous, I come to the TB-puter and see what's going on. Now, I have no idea who Fieldy is, nor have I heard anything by Korn, so I am not in a position to pass judgement. But it is amusing to look through these posts and see you guys getting your feathers ruffled the way some of you do. It's like watching a comedy, seeing you guys flame each other the way you do. It's pretty obvious that certain folks are just having fun, and being totally sarcastic. Some of you have underwear that's way too tight.
And for the record, I think Jaco would've smoked Fieldy & or Flea with one hand tied behind his back. But, just to make sure, I'm going to download something by Korn and give it a good listen. I may have to eat my words. (I've already heard Flea)
And for the record, I think Jaco would've smoked Fieldy & or Flea with one hand tied behind his back. But, just to make sure, I'm going to download something by Korn and give it a good listen. I may have to eat my words. (I've already heard Flea)
Like Angus, I think this post was a complete waste of time (I feel like an idiot just replying to it! 
). It is subjective whether Fieldy is a good player or not. No matter what, we haven't solved anything here. This post, despite it's intent, has just caused more Fieldy bashing and defending. And CrawlingEye, it's really cool to generalize an entire genre of music isn't it? I can understand if you don't like metal, but don't be closed minded about it. And Xavier, Jaco being better than Flea or whoever is also subjective. Flea I'm sure has some qualities in his playing that Jaco couldn't do, and vice-versa. In the words of the great man Chris Gaines (I don't know who originally sang it ) "C'mon people now, shine on your brother...". What a magnificent song! *cries*
). It is subjective whether Fieldy is a good player or not. No matter what, we haven't solved anything here. This post, despite it's intent, has just caused more Fieldy bashing and defending. And CrawlingEye, it's really cool to generalize an entire genre of music isn't it? I can understand if you don't like metal, but don't be closed minded about it. And Xavier, Jaco being better than Flea or whoever is also subjective. Flea I'm sure has some qualities in his playing that Jaco couldn't do, and vice-versa. In the words of the great man Chris Gaines (I don't know who originally sang it ) "C'mon people now, shine on your brother...". What a magnificent song! *cries*
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