Post Count?

[MatticusMania]

But if thats the fact Rene, then why remove post counts only from OT, and not just in general?

We all have equal rights here. My posts in OT won't count, yours won't count, no one's will. OT is not a person. Nothing is being taken away from anyone that isn't being taken away from EVERYONE. It's not an equal rights thing in even the remotest sense. Name one right that is being taken from you that is not being taken from everyone else as well.

Ok, equal rights might not have been the best choice of words. However, you know, as well as I do, that there is subset of people who post almost entirely in OT. And for their posts to be generally ignored by the administration seems a bit like a backhanded slap to the face.
I, myself, probably spend half my work day on TB, and 85% of that time in OT, because I like the people here, the sense of community, and the ideas & opinions I share with my, do I dare call them, friends.

 

[Nyarlathotep]

If I may add: I even think that "join dates" are kindof silly. I've noticed a few effects builders are just discovering this site (or at least just joining) fairly recently. Are we to count them as "noobs", even on they're own product? LOL

Do my posts count more than Matticus's since I "joined" in 2006 and he in 2008?

 

[René_Julien]

But if thats the fact Rene, then why remove post counts only from OT, and not just in general?

Reread my post.

I made it very clear that I would support removing post count all togheter and why.


My standpoint: I see nothing wrong with how it was, how it is now, or what can be.

And I don't see the need for drama for the way it is now.

To me there is no "inequality" between members and their posts. No certain groups benefits or experiences disadvantages.


Personally, I think the postcount measure by site administration is just pointless and they just shouldn't bothered.
But I also find the rebottle to this just as pointless.


IMO

 

[vene-nemesis]

No it doesn't. But it's a cash cow whether you like it or not. Revenue is generated by the number of eyeballs viewing the ads in OT, not to mention contribution for membership by the posters themselves. But if you create policy that can be interpreted as crapping on the people that help generate said revenue stream, then eventually the people will just stop contributing to said revenue stream. No one like being crapped on. Personally, I contribute to this site because of OT. I'm a bassplayer, but I really enjoy the tight-nit community and friendships that have come from OT. I contribute to support the infrastructure that creates the forum to allow this. Personally, I feel that if this is how they appreciate my contribution then I might as well just stop contributing and experience this site as a non paying member.

I dont know if i could be as radical as you, or if iven if i did would any of the admins did care... But as a mater of fact Ive been a very long time TB user/poster and only started donating last year since i started frequenting the OT comunity. I wouldnt like it to be destroyed because of people not caring to post in here.

 

[Marlat]

If I may add: I even think that "join dates" are kindof silly. I've noticed a few effects builders are just discovering this site (or at least just joining) fairly recently. Are we to count them as "noobs", even on they're own product? LOL

Do my posts count more than Matticus's since I "joined" in 2006 and he in 2008?

No, your posts count less because of your ridiculous username

 

[MatticusMania]

Do my posts count more than Matticus's since I "joined" in 2006 and he in 2008?

No, they both don't count just as equally, being we're still in OT. It just means that you know what youre talking about moreso than I.

 

[Darkstrike]

HEY NOW!!!! Some people do...... but it usually falls under the NSFW catagory LOL

"Is that Cartmans mom?!"


"Woah, it is Cartmans mom!!"

 

[Nyarlathotep]

No, your posts count less because of your ridiculous username

 

[MakiSupaStar]

We all have equal rights here. My posts in OT won't count, yours won't count, no one's will. OT is not a person. Nothing is being taken away from anyone that isn't being taken away from EVERYONE. It's not an equal rights thing in even the remotest sense. Name one right that is being taken from you that is not being taken from everyone else as well.

Bryan, this way of thinking works if people were habitually contributing to all threads equally, but the way a lot of people work is that we all have forums that we tend to favor. It's a lot like surfing. There are locals that favor every surf spot. Some are local because of convenience, some are locals because they like the wave. Sure they can surf other spots, but they choose to surf the spots that they like. Surfers also have a wave count. Most don't know what it is (unless they're beginners), but if some powers that be suddenly officiated and said that you're surf breaks waves don't count toward your wave count they'd be pissed. Suddenly there's policy and officiating where none was needed. Suddenly, they'd become aware of their wavecount.

This is similar to what happened here. Most people were vaguely aware at best, of their post count. I remember when it was displayed. I remember being a little ticked about it disappearing, but then I shrugged my shoulders and kind of concluded that I didn't really care. I didn't even know I past the 20k mark in posts until someone pointed it out. Post counts aren't important to me, but the policy should be either a post counts or doesn't equally. What I'm so opposed to here, the inequality. Either have post counts or eliminate them, not suddenly deem some posts as counting and some posts not counting. It can't help but be perceived as a jab at the locals who haunt the forums that the policy targets.

 

[MatticusMania]

Reread my post.

I made it very clear that I would support removing post count all togheter and why.


My standpoint: I see nothing wrong with how it was, how it is now, or what can be.

And I don't see the need for drama for the way it is now.

To me there is no "inequality" between members and their posts. No certain groups benefits or experiences disadvantages.


Personally, I think the postcount measure by site administration is just pointless and they just shouldn't bothered.
But I also find the rebottle to this just as pointless.


IMO

I understand your viewpoint. I agree that there isnt not inherently an "inequality" between OT & Other TB posts. At least not until you take into consideration that many TBers judge the merit of ones post based on post count, which, admittedly, many do. Which, it seems, is also the reason why posts in OT are no longer counted.

Therefore, if you post outside of OT you gain credibility amongst those who judge by post count, whereas if you post in OT your credibility remains the same. And if you are one of those people who chooses to only post in OT, your credibility is nil.

This is why I advocate the removal of the Post Count system from the entirety of TB.

Thank You

/leaves podium

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

If I may add: I even think that "join dates" are kindof silly. I've noticed a few effects builders are just discovering this site (or at least just joining) fairly recently. Are we to count them as "noobs", even on they're own product? LOL

Do my posts count more than Matticus's since I "joined" in 2006 and he in 2008?

I've found that the join date is actually very important as a mod- it helps determine whether the use is new enough to the site to not be aware of all the rules.

 

[MatticusMania]

Bryan, thats why no one is arguing for the removal of the join date. It actually holds some water, whereas post count does not.

 

[René_Julien]

I understand your viewpoint. I agree that there isnt not inherently an "inequality" between OT & Other TB posts. At least not until you take into consideration that many TBers judge the merit of ones post based on post count, which, admittedly, many do. Which, it seems, is also the reason why posts in OT are no longer counted.

Therefore, if you post outside of OT you gain credibility amongst those who judge by post count, whereas if you post in OT your credibility remains the same. And if you are one of those people who chooses to only post in OT, your credibility is nil.

This is why I advocate the removal of the Post Count system from the entirety of TB.

Well, I also do not care about people that judge me or you or a newbie that joined today by the postcount.

If someone forms their opinion of me, it wont be because of my postcount. My uselessness shows off well enough in my posts so that no postcount can save me.


But hey, I'm with you 100% on the total elimination of postcount.
I just don't feel the same way about the current situation.



oh... btw, before anyone pointing out me taking active part in this discussion:

Boredom is a bigger stimulans than caring for a cause.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Bryan, this way of thinking works if people were habitually contributing to all threads equally, but the way a lot of people work is that we all have forums that we tend to favor. It's a lot like surfing. There are locals that favor every surf spot. Some are local because of convenience, some are locals because they like the wave. Sure they can surf other spots, but they choose to surf the spots that they like. Surfers also have a wave count. Most don't know what it is (unless they're beginners), but if some powers that be suddenly officiated and said that you're surf breaks waves don't count toward your wave count they'd be pissed. Suddenly there's policy and officiating where none was needed. Suddenly, they'd become aware of their wavecount.

This is similar to what happened here. Most people were vaguely aware at best, of their post count. I remember when it was displayed. I remember being a little ticked about it disappearing, but then I shrugged my shoulders and kind of concluded that I didn't really care. I didn't even know I past the 20k mark in posts until someone pointed it out. Post counts aren't important to me, but the policy should be either a post counts or doesn't equally. What I'm so opposed to here, the inequality. Either have post counts or eliminate them, not suddenly deem some posts as counting and some posts not counting. It can't help but be perceived as a jab at the locals who haunt the forums that the policy targets.

Except the group of surfers in your scenario would be the group of surfers that aren't getting in the water- they're just talking on the beach. If the point of surfing is to surf, then you get wave counts for how many waves you catch. You don't get them for talking about other stuff on the beach. It's a music forum- if you're posting in the music forums, you get your posts counted. If you're not, you don't. What are you losing if your posts don't count here anymore? Nothing. The only thing you'll lose is if part of the community aspect changes if members start going away because their posts in a non-music forum don't count in a music forum anymore. And frankly, anyone who would do that needs to get off the internet because they're way too sensitive to handle it.

 

[MatticusMania]

What are you losing if your posts don't count here anymore? Nothing.

No, what you lose is credibility to those who weigh your post count against the content of your posts. If I post few times outside of OT then the perception will be that I dont know what I'm talking about when I choose to actually weigh in on a conversation.

I read through many different forums on a daily basis, often without having anything to add but a '+1' to someone who has already summed up my feelings on the topic, and since its pointless to add a '+1' I rarely do so.

After I've gone and checked out what other threads I feel like reading I come to OT to discuss off topic subjects with other bass players. Sure, I could just as easily go to some other forum like talk****.com, or randomsubjects.com, but I choose to hang out here and discuss opinions and topics with other bass players. Otherwise I wouldnt be able to tell my girlfriend, after getting home from work, about the things that my bass playing friends and I were discussing.

 

[iamlowsound]

I think we should do away with post count in all of the other forums that aren't directly about bass. Misc, band humour/gig stories, recording, band management ect. Seeing as they don't 100% mesh with "talkbass", then the posts that happen in those forums shouldn't count either. You might as well throw amps in there, because those, after all, are amps, not basses. While related to bass, they aren't basses directly. Go ahead and get rid of the non-bass related classified section, the live sound and special events/gtgs. None of those forums are directly related to bass, but the posts in those forums still count.

Sure, there might be some meaningful posts in those forums, but they aren't about bass and the ones that are will be vastly outnumbered by the ones that aren't. If you are going to enforce a policy like the one that has been put in place with the rational that is put in place, apply if fairly across the entire site with anything that doesn't fall directly under the category of bass.

lowsound

 

[MakiSupaStar]

Except the group of surfers in your scenario would be the group of surfers that aren't getting in the water- they're just talking on the beach. If the point of surfing is to surf, then you get wave counts for how many waves you catch. You don't get them for talking about other stuff on the beach. It's a music forum- if you're posting in the music forums, you get your posts counted. If you're not, you don't. What are you losing if your posts don't count here anymore? Nothing. The only thing you'll lose is if part of the community aspect changes if members start going away because their posts in a non-music forum don't count in a music forum anymore. And frankly, anyone who would do that needs to get off the internet because they're way too sensitive to handle it.

Most of us arguing with you about this point don't care about post count. We didn't before and we don't now. Many of us are in favor of eliminating them. I don't think it's a case of losing members, because of the post count, but it's a case of possibly losing members because now a group of members' posts are not going to as valued as those who are regulars in the other forums. Examples I've seen. If a newb sees that 9,900 posts out of a posters 10,000 posts are in OT, then their opinion is not as valued as a poster with a 1000 posts from another forum. You yourself said that if an TB'r spends most of their time in OT then they need to reevaluate themselves. So there is an underlying implication that not only is this policy directed at the people who are regulars in OT, but their posts (therefore the people that create these posts) are not on the same value tier as the posts and posters of people hanging in the other areas. It's created a prejudice (and I'm using this word very lightly here) against those who generally hang in OT.

I might post something in the recordings forum about Ableton Live, or something in the amps sections about a pre/power set up, or a specific pedal that I have experience with, and people that might disagree with me could quickly discount my post as worthless because the majority of all my other posts are now from the worthless OT forum that is only used to generate revenue because of its traffic.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

No, what you lose is credibility to those who weigh your post count against the content of your posts. If I post few times outside of OT then the perception will be that I dont know what I'm talking about when I choose to actually weigh in on a conversation.

That sounds like you'd like the credibility a higher post count will give you without having to actually post in the music forums If someone's going to judge your credibility based solely on your post count, then either get your post count up by adding some valuable dialogue to the music forums or, even better, stop caring about what they think.

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Sure, there might be some meaningful posts in those forums, but they aren't about bass and the ones that are will be vastly outnumbered by the ones that aren't. If you are going to enforce a policy like the one that has been put in place with the rational that is put in place, apply if fairly across the entire site with anything that doesn't fall directly under the category of bass.

lowsound

This site is designed for all things related to bass, bass in music, gear to use with basses, etc. Off Topic is the one forum specifically designed to have nothing to do with bass or music in any way. TalkBass has never been solely about bass- I know you know that, but you're coming up with a non-related example to try to counter it.

 

[MatticusMania]

No, I would prefer one not judge someone elses credibility on post count, though that can't quite be done away with as easily as eliminating post count entirely.

I'd like that when I do make a contribution in another forum that my words be taken with the same merit of someone who has been here for a while. I may be young, but I am knowledgable, and actually do have some valuable input to add at times.

So, essentially, youre telling me I should go put a bunch of '+1' posts in the forums that matter so that I'll be taken more seriously. I'll hold you to that.