Post Count?

[Bryan R. Tyler]

Ding. We have a winner.

Really, it depends on where you draw the line as to what "belongs" and what doesn't. Iamlowsound has chosen to draw the line at "bass-related forums". That makes sense, considering the name of the website. You've chosen to draw the line at "music-related forums". I can see that (notice how I'm open to other's interpretation of the website?), but I'm a bit more broad with my understanding. I view it as an online community of bassplayers and what interests them. What puzzles me is how you are positive that OT doesn't belong because it isn't music related, but don't see how Iamlowsound can view the Band Management as not belonging. It clearly isn't bass related and the frickin' site is called talkbass.

Let's be honest. On a website called TalkBass, any forum not addressing bass-related discussion is "off topic". How far off topic is what we seem to be debating. A grey area at best that you seem to want to be black and white.

Mike

I don't go by "my" interpretation or any other- I go by what the stated point of TalkBass is- "To provide a source of user-contributed useful information relating to the bass guitar and double bass, gear, bass playing, and everything bass. " Sure that can be open to interpretation if you want it to be, but by those same guidelines I could interpret a pumpkin to be a donkey Band management is definitely a part of being a bass player- at least if you're in a band.

 

[MakiSupaStar]

You make a good point as usual Maki.

In the end I just don't care whether my post counts here, or anywhere on this site, but I can see how it matters to others.

Sorry if I came off sounding like an ***. It seems I brought a knife to the gun fight of life this past month and just can't seem to get back on top of it.

Carry on gentle people.

Jonny, most of us don't care about post count either. Hang in there man. You'll get through this stuff.

 

[BassyBill]

Or maybe more of an Equal Rights kind of thing.

Ha ha! Brilliant.

 

[Bruce Lindfield]

Bruce I tend to agree with you about the validity of post counts and what they indicate, but if we have the current set up where people's posts don't count if they originated in OT, then I'd rather see them disappear completely. Chris, also implies in his post that not all posts are quality, and some are just plain worthless. For instance, this post, and yours would not count toward your total, but a +1 in a strings thread would. So are you for keeping the policy as is (where this post and yours does not add to your count), or are you for returning to the policy we had before where every post counts? Based on this post, I gathered you are NOT for eliminating post count, but I want to see what your opinion is on this, since you do have the "honor" of having the highest post count on this site.

I think it's pretty obvious that I have been arguing that whtever we may think - post counts are a valuable tool for the site - in terms of identifying what areas are popular etc. and as way of demonstrating that the site has staying power, with people hanging around and using it regularly!

I personally have no opinion on the OT thing - although I can see that when people just post to increase their post count, it is a problem and I have seen it spiral out of control and devalue the site, as well as making it more difficult to use.

I have no answer to that - I used to prefer it when the site was smaller, had much fewer people and it was easier to get around and so we needed no Mods and no rules - but I am realistic enough to realise this is not an option we can return to.

I think people like JT do a great job as a Mod and I think most of us don't see the problems from that side - so I think we need to accept that the Mods are doing the best they can to deal with the site's problems and trust them to do the best for us!

 

[Marlat]

I think we need to accept that the Mods are doing the best they can to deal with the site's problems and trust them to do the best for us!

I've never read anything mroe anti-American. You must be a communist!

 

[René_Julien]

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I was bored and searched were all my posts have went.

 

[Eric Perry]

^ How did you do that?

 

[RWP]

I was bored and searched were all my posts have went.

There seem to be a bunch missing.

 

[René_Julien]

^ How did you do that?

You don't want to know. :scowl:


okay... it took me an hour, I was bored.

Just: Advanced search: - posts by user: [fill in your own username]
nosearch term
click "show posts" instead of "show threads"
and then search in each forum individualy and make your own list.


It's not correct, there seems to be a cut-off somewhere.
More as 1500 posts per search can not be done.




Maybe a system that displays somewhere: this user has # posts in this subforum.

So that would be a good representation what value a members postcount is in that subforum.

 

[René_Julien]

There seem to be a bunch missing.

I cashed them in, they were vintage at a certain moment.

I also had inside information about the new policy of not counting OT posts prior to when it was applied.
Lucky I was able to sell a lot of my OT posts before they became worthless.

 

[RWP]

I cashed them in, they were vintage at a certain moment.

I also had inside information about the new policy of not counting OT posts prior to when it was applied.
Lucky I was able to sell a lot of my OT posts before they became worthless.

You need to be my stock broker.

 

[john turner]

Dude, you seriously don't see that "bassists with beards" should not count towards a contribution to the site (i.e post count) when some actual conversations held in OT do.

Amazing.

frankly, that thread, from what i can tell, is about beards, not being a bassist, so it belongs in OT anyway. i'll be moving it here presently.

 

[john turner]

if you guys find any more threads in the "non-off topic" forums that don't warrant post counts (i.e. are off topic ) please report em so we can move them over here.

thanks .

 

[René_Julien]

if you guys find any more threads in the "non-off topic" forums that don't warrant post counts (i.e. are off topic ) please report em so we can move them over here.

thanks .

How about sports and beer threads in sponsored forums?
And the wearing of flower print dresses?

 

[Marley's Ghost]

I think this thread has run it's course. The forum owner has determined that this change will be beneficial to his business. Buck it up boys, this is not a democracy. If this still really grinds your gears, there's always Harmony Central.

 

[mike_v_s]

I don't go by "my" interpretation or any other- I go by what the stated point of TalkBass is- "To provide a source of user-contributed useful information relating to the bass guitar and double bass, gear, bass playing, and everything bass. " Sure that can be open to interpretation if you want it to be, but by those same guidelines I could interpret a pumpkin to be a donkey Band management is definitely a part of being a bass player- at least if you're in a band.

I was hoping you'd post that. Miscellaneous ("Music-related discussion, not specific to the bass or any other forum") falls outside of that stated point. Peruse the Band Management forum. It is about managing the band, not the bass player. Sure, a bass player is present in the discussion...but that's been my point about OT.

So, calling TalkBass a "music" site when the stated point is specifically narrower is an interpretation...your interpretation.

Mike

 

[Bryan R. Tyler]

I was hoping you'd post that. Miscellaneous ("Music-related discussion, not specific to the bass or any other forum") falls outside of that stated point. Peruse the Band Management forum. It is about managing the band, not the bass player. Sure, a bass player is present in the discussion...but that's been my point about OT.

So, calling TalkBass a "music" site when the stated point is specifically narrower is an interpretation...your interpretation.

Mike

Sorry, music AND gear. Happy?
You're wrong about Misc- that's where all threads about straps, gig bags, cases, capos, and all the other things related to basses that don't fit in the other forums go, and if a bass player is part of the direct subject as a topic in OT as it is in Band Management, then it doesn't belong in OT. You're really grasping at straws here. If the Basses archive was suddenly wiped clean, we'd lose probably the world's largest archive on bass information. If the Recordings archive was wiped clean, we'd lose a plethora of recording history including posts and clarifications from guys like Anthony Jackson that would otherwise remain unknown to the world. If Off Topic was suddenly wiped clean.....we'd lose a lot of posts about Asian chicks. There would be no loss of music or gear information at all.

Frankly, even if you lose every bit of community built in OT, TalkBass would still go on as it always did- it would just grow a new community all over again. The fact that bassists post in it does not add musical value to the forum- it could be architects posting here, and it really wouldn't make a difference. Some of the more beloved members of OT don't even play bass. And they don't need to- it's not a requirement as OT has nothing to do with bass at all. Most of the people complaining that the community aspect is so important that OT posts should count weren't even a part of the community a couple years ago. Whatever presupposed value they think OT contains due to their posts had no affect on TalkBass continuing on prior to their arrival, and will not deter it from continuing on after their departure. You can't say that about the other forums. They are archives of knowledge- some of the best in the world. Trying to nitpick at the small bugs in those seas of knowledge in order to exaggerate the validity of posts that add nothing to the primary function of this site is, IMO, sad.

 

[john turner]

you know, i for one am surprised that folks at a discussion site called "TALKBASS" are having a problem with the fact that anything they post that is not primarily bass/music related is going to not be considered of equivalent value to what they post that is primarily music/bass related. and that includes the occasional "+1" or "nice bass" in a bass thread, because, while these posts may not stand on their own as having any substance, they are -contributing to a music-related conversation- and as such are falling within the focus of the site's mandated primary discussion parameters and therefore directly strengthening the site itself, however incrementally.

seems sorta "captain obvious" to me. and i probably have more OT posts than most of the prime complainers in this thread - my first gig here was OT mod in june of 03, along with good ole' biski.

i have to say, though, that i -am- sympathetic to the what folks like mike and maki are saying, at least to a point, and i'm glad that they are participating in this conversation as seriously as they are - that's a sign to me that they really care about talkbass and where it's going, and i for one really appreciate that.

on another note in the same key, so to speak , we will be updated to vbulletin 4.0 fairly soon, and there are a lot more cool community-oriented options available in that software version. we're looking into implementing a few of these, and i'm thinking we'll be polling the membership ( ) on a few of them, see what you guys think.

 

[mike_v_s]

Sorry, music AND gear. Happy?
You're wrong about Misc- that's where all threads about straps, gig bags, cases, capos, and all the other things related to basses that don't fit in the other forums go, and if a bass player is part of the direct subject as a topic in OT as it is in Band Management, then it doesn't belong in OT. You're really grasping at straws here.

Pot, kettle, etc. The subtitle of Misc. states things "not specific to the bass". Ignoring that fact and how it relates to the definition of TalkBass as you typed it doesn't make you right about it. Take a look around in there. I'm sure you remember several long drawn out discussions on file sharing that you participated in. I can link them, if necessary.

Frankly, even if you lose every bit of community built in OT, TalkBass would still go on as it always did-

For you. Perhaps it's time to accept that your view isn't the only one in this situation.

...it would just grow a new community all over again.

That's the great thing about a business when it gets to be a certain size, isn't it?

The fact that bassists post in it does not add musical value to the forum- it could be architects posting here, and it really wouldn't make a difference. Some of the more beloved members of OT don't even play bass. And they don't need to- it's not a requirement as OT has nothing to do with bass at all.

Names? I've been accused of that before by people who don't know better.

Most of the people complaining that the community aspect is so important that OT posts should count weren't even a part of the community a couple years ago.

...and? Unless this is a numbers game, I'm assuming that every different personality brought to the site adds to it.

Whatever presupposed value they think OT contains due to their posts had no affect on TalkBass continuing on prior to their arrival, and will not deter it from continuing on after their departure. You can't say that about the other forums. They are archives of knowledge- some of the best in the world. Trying to nitpick at the small bugs in those seas of knowledge in order to exaggerate the validity of posts that add nothing to the primary function of this site is, IMO, sad.

Amid everything you've either written or ignored, there are a few things that stand out, and it is sad. At this point, I feel as though I've made my point pretty thoroughly. What I can't do is make people understand it.

No need to respond. I understand your point and have from the beginning. I just disagree with it.

Mike

 

[René_Julien]

on another note in the same key, so to speak , we will be updated to vbulletin 4.0 fairly soon, and there are a lot more cool community-oriented options available in that software version. we're looking into implementing a few of these, and i'm thinking we'll be polling the membership ( ) on a few of them, see what you guys think.

What's in it for Gold Supporting Members?

How much? and gimme gimme gimme.