for the love of God man, it was a KC and the Sunshine song.......it has 2 GUITAR CHORDS...he didn't bother to learn them....so no, I'm not going to STFU and learn something because I already did my homework and knew the song....
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for the love of God man, it was a KC and the Sunshine song.......it has 2 GUITAR CHORDS...he didn't bother to learn them....so no, I'm not going to STFU and learn something because I already did my homework and knew the song....
exactly!
this. don't resent him - talk to him, and since your band isn't a democracy, it can come from the BL. for goodness sake, the guitarist hasn't been in a band, so he has zero idea of what will pack the dance floor, keep people happy and drinking. if he doesn't listen, replace him.
since you said he was just talk, talk, talking, i can't see why you shouldn't noodle softly. for that matter, he shouldn't be talk, talk, talking during rehearsal. have a meeting if talking is needed. otherwise maybe someone should tell him "we're here to WORK. talk later." for that matter, since he didn't bother to learn the song, he more than anyone else should have been working on it.
Yes, you were. You deserved to be shushed. You would be sacked the very first time you uttered that sentence in any band I've ever been in.
Your guitarist sounds like an arse. Have you told him?
I prefer "plays well with others" over simply "plays well."
These days I expect the ability to get along, be a team player, suck it up for the team, etc form anyone who claims to be a "musician."
They may be a virtuoso , but if they are a pain to get along with, they lack the fundamental "soft" skills necessary for a true musician.
These days I expect the ability to get along, be a team player, suck it up for the team, etc form anyone who claims to be a "musician."
They may be a virtuoso , but if they are a pain to get along with, they lack the fundamental "soft" skills necessary for a true musician.
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You might as well keep playing with these guys, because no band that is remotely professional is going to put up with the noodling or the attitude
Old thread, but let me surgically dissect it:
And has NO band experience, no stage experience, and probably knows songs, but doesn't know music. He's not yet "band material".
If you aren't singing or playing a lead instrument, you don't get to pick the songs. That's just how it goes. This would be your second warning, don't ya think?
Strike three!
Well, you probably should have been. Rehearsal is work, not play time. Noodling is just unprofessional, not to mention impolite.
Doesn't read like that from where I'm sitting.
That's proven to be true already, hasn't it? Personally, if I quit a band because of some difference with this player or that, there's a zero percent probability I'd play with that guy again, in any band, anywhere, for any money.
I don't see any victims in your scenario, only a volunteer. If you're really looking for input on the set list you ought to be thinking about a band that's writing and playing their own stuff. I'd also suggest that you widen your network ... this guy surely isn't the only decent guitar player on the North Shore, and it would behoove you to get out and meet the others.
lol, you want to put money on that?
we were just talking about this at practice the other day..with our new guitar player...in one of my bands....the other 2 noodle as well, we don't do control freaks
jive1
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Noodling is OK if the volume is off and you're paying attention. I totally understand the need to fidget, but audibly playing over someone talking is rude. I turn off the volume on my instrument whenever anyone is talking. The drummer will do rolls on their thigh. The sax player will fidget with keys, but never blow into the mouthpiece. Noodling is often a desire to fidget, and you don't need volume to fidget.
Typical meaningless band drama. It always bring the band down. And any instrument playing, regardless of volume, during a conversation is distracting and annoying. I would have shushed you, too.
they fired him not me....so the shusher is gone, all you control freak shushers should marinate on that one for a while
ffs guys I wasn't playing over anybody...the guy was constantly yammering and got fired...game over....
That doesn't matter. Noodling is irritating and distracting. What makes you think it is okay?
If someone is yammering, they get noodled over. It's far more polite than speaking for mind. Those of you that got off telling the OP how wrong he was need to get off the Internet and go play with real people in real situations and learn that your idealized vision of how your band would run is highly unlikely to ever happen. Go out, play with people, and the first time someone is going on and on and on about how their cat may had kittens and they are having to bottle feed them and how messed up their kids are and how much this dog cost at the vet and how bluesy and jazzy this two chord progression is supposed to be and by the end of it you're standing in the corner playing Super Freak to escape the mind numbing idiocy of these people you have chosen to spend a few hours a week with.
He wasn't acting like a piano player. Leave the poor guy alone.
He wasn't acting like a piano player. Leave the poor guy alone.
Agreed. The Talkbass pile-on over the noodling is completely overblown and is taking away from the important issue of the guitarist's behaviour.
Sigh...
And yet again, someone solicits opinions, then takes exception to the kinds of opinion received...
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Not sure I can add anything that hasn't already been said, cept this:
I've seen countless bands fall apart because of this issue, and I really think one of us ought to come up with an ironclad song choice rule or process that would eliminate all the BS.
I know a guy who's been trying to put a band together for decades now. He gets the musicians, he gets the talent, he gets the band together, and then a couple of months in everybody hates each other and people quit. He's a control freak, and the bands break up over the dumbest garbage. People get waaaaaaaaay too attached to song choices IMO. Everybody is certain of what songs work and what songs don't work. And my experience is that you never know until you're actually with the band your with, in the club you're playing - and that isn't even anything you can depend on. I'm getting off track here though...
I feel like starting another thread to try to start to collectively solve the song choice problem. I think I will and then I'll come back and link it.
As for the noodling, it's rude, and regardless of your feelings towards this guy - if you're noodling while he's talking, you're telling him that you don't give a crap about anything he's saying. You very well might not, but I wouldn't expect any respect in return. You can noodle with your volume all the way down.
I've seen countless bands fall apart because of this issue, and I really think one of us ought to come up with an ironclad song choice rule or process that would eliminate all the BS.
I know a guy who's been trying to put a band together for decades now. He gets the musicians, he gets the talent, he gets the band together, and then a couple of months in everybody hates each other and people quit. He's a control freak, and the bands break up over the dumbest garbage. People get waaaaaaaaay too attached to song choices IMO. Everybody is certain of what songs work and what songs don't work. And my experience is that you never know until you're actually with the band your with, in the club you're playing - and that isn't even anything you can depend on. I'm getting off track here though...
I feel like starting another thread to try to start to collectively solve the song choice problem. I think I will and then I'll come back and link it.
As for the noodling, it's rude, and regardless of your feelings towards this guy - if you're noodling while he's talking, you're telling him that you don't give a crap about anything he's saying. You very well might not, but I wouldn't expect any respect in return. You can noodle with your volume all the way down.
jive1
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The grown-up thing to do in this situation is to simply say "Hey, let's get back to practice. We can talk about this afterwards." or "We obviously don't agree on the song, let's skip it and go to the next one. We'll talk about it later". Noodling is passive aggressive, wastes time, and dwindles respect while not exactly getting done what you want, which is to get back to practice. I'd rather use a few words and a few seconds to get back on track, rather than waste time hoping that someone gets the hint. I've played with real bands well before the internet, and I haven't had to deal with noodling in decades. Maybe I'm lucky that I get to work with people who take rehearsal seriously and respect each other.
