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Quilter Bass Block

I've read most of the 91 pages of this thread, but I haven't seen many comments from people using this with an upright (yes, I saw the post on this page). With such a clean amp like this, I was thinking that the Bass Block, when matched with a proper pre-amp, would work great with an upright.

I am thinking of getting one and would run my upright through my Headway EB-2 preamp. I use either an Ehrlund EAP, or an Ischell X-48C contact mike. Thoughts?
 
Man, I've got two drive pedals which just don't get along with the Quilter. The Darkglass AOmega and the Reiner Gasoline (just snagged one of these small-run units). I don't know if it is the EQ voicing or the compression/limiting character of the amp, but something about it takes the edge off each of these pedals. With the same bass, pedals, and cab, but with a Demeter VTBP M 800D head, the pedals each have much more grind and vibrant tone. Anyone else have a similar experience with this amp altering the character of an effect/drive pedal? I really like the clean sound, but this "damping" effect has me scratching my head, particularly since my Dunwich Volt Thrower seems to operate as I'd expect with the Quilter.

Any luck getting your AO to play nicer with your Bass Block? Honestly that’s the reason I’ve been wanting this amp is because it seemed like the perfect option to make my AO tone loud without coloring it too much. It’s a bummer to hear that it takes some edge off of the AO though.
 
Any luck getting your AO to play nicer with your Bass Block? Honestly that’s the reason I’ve been wanting this amp is because it seemed like the perfect option to make my AO tone loud without coloring it too much. It’s a bummer to hear that it takes some edge off of the AO though.

The trick seems to be running the gain lower and the master higher. This minimizes the compression. It also helps to scoop some of the mids on the amp's EQ. Honestly, the AO isn't getting much play time and is probably gonna get sold soon. I just snagged the Reiner Gasoline and it is growing to be a central part of my tone. Regardless, I think this amp is pretty good, but the controls and sound take some time to sort out, like any new tool in the shed. Still not sure if it will stay in the rotation. I picked it up to contrast against my two existing heads. I really can't justify holding on to all three, but the choice isn't obvious.
 
I've read most of the 91 pages of this thread, but I haven't seen many comments from people using this with an upright (yes, I saw the post on this page). With such a clean amp like this, I was thinking that the Bass Block, when matched with a proper pre-amp, would work great with an upright.

I am thinking of getting one and would run my upright through my Headway EB-2 preamp. I use either an Ehrlund EAP, or an Ischell X-48C contact mike. Thoughts?

Russell, your intuition is spot on, the Quilter rig works great for upright; very natural sounding without coloration. I have a simple, old-school set up; an Underwood pick-up through a Fishman pro-EQ Platinum preamp. Love this set up!
 
I've still been very happy with running an SVP Pro into the front of the Quilter. I ended up mounting my compressor pedal (which is always on) as well as a Broughton HPF/LPF onto the shelf the Quilter is on. Once I solve the tuner issue I won't have a pedalboard anymore. I know it defeats the purpose of the BB800, being that it is 5lbs and rackmounted with a bunch of other crap, but the tone of the Ampeg/Quilter combo is really scratching the itch for me.
 
Ok, well...overdrive crisis averted. Further investigation simply revealed that I am an idiot : The low pass filter of the Pork Loin was engaged and muffling everything, at low (read "apartment") volume it just gave me the impression that little to no dirt was poking through.

I should totally glue that sucker to the "off" position.

On the brighter side, it gave me an excuse to break out the VT Bass DI and try the XLR in on the Quilter while "investigating".

Also just thought of a way I could double using this amp (although I avoid doubling like the plague now) : Bass guitar into pedalboard into amp's 1/4'' input jack; upright bass into mute switch into preamp into XLR in.
I think the VT bass DI and the Quilter are magic together!
 
Ok, well...overdrive crisis averted. Further investigation simply revealed that I am an idiot : The low pass filter of the Pork Loin was engaged and muffling everything, at low (read "apartment") volume it just gave me the impression that little to no dirt was poking through.

I should totally glue that sucker to the "off" position.

On the brighter side, it gave me an excuse to break out the VT Bass DI and try the XLR in on the Quilter while "investigating".

Also just thought of a way I could double using this amp (although I avoid doubling like the plague now) : Bass guitar into pedalboard into amp's 1/4'' input jack; upright bass into mute switch into preamp into XLR in.
Actually I had thought to do the same, but the XLR in bypasses the Gain knob as well, so unless your bass preamp has an active gain stage to equal the Quilter, that may not work. I tried that and couldn’t get enough volume out of the upright pre.
 
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I've read most of the 91 pages of this thread, but I haven't seen many comments from people using this with an upright (yes, I saw the post on this page). With such a clean amp like this, I was thinking that the Bass Block, when matched with a proper pre-amp, would work great with an upright.

I am thinking of getting one and would run my upright through my Headway EB-2 preamp. I use either an Ehrlund EAP, or an Ischell X-48C contact mike. Thoughts?
Just did my first upright gig with the Quiter last night. Worked pretty well, I thought! (Definite improvement over the old Markbass LMII - might still keep using the all-tube Ampeg PF-50T when I can do a second trip and want more "character".)
My longtime preamp is a Biesele magnetic pickup that I mostly use as a buffer for a piezo pickup (David Gage Realist, then Fishman Full Circle). I keep trying other things and coming back to it. There seems to be some baked-in hi-pass filtering and some other mojo I can't quite get, elsewhere. Dialing in some magnetic pickup works wonders when things get loud and cluttered. It "just works" through all kinds of bass amps and even straight to the PA.
Speaking of which, the Quilter driving a pretty flat 3-way cab [Acme Low B-1] seems not entirely unlike going straight to a PA - a PA with very solid low end and plenty of headroom. I find the high-end "snap" and low-end "ruble" aren't artificially exaggerated but when I want to coax either out with my playing technique, the Quilter will cooperate in a way that isn't too overbearing. "Subtly responsive" would be a good way to summarize it. (Sometimes all-tube amps are not so subtle this way IME and that can be super fun sometimes but a pain in the butt other times. The Quilter by comparison seems more well-behaved and predictable in ways both good and bad.)
I'm not familiar at all with your preamp or pickups so I can't predict how those might work. But my big takeaway thus far has been that if a signal currently works well straight to the mixing board, there's a pretty good chance it will work well with the Bass Block head.
HTH :bassist:
 
Just did my first upright gig with the Quiter last night. Worked pretty well, I thought! (Definite improvement over the old Markbass LMII - might still keep using the all-tube Ampeg PF-50T when I can do a second trip and want more "character".)
My longtime preamp is a Biesele magnetic pickup that I mostly use as a buffer for a piezo pickup (David Gage Realist, then Fishman Full Circle). I keep trying other things and coming back to it. There seems to be some baked-in hi-pass filtering and some other mojo I can't quite get, elsewhere. Dialing in some magnetic pickup works wonders when things get loud and cluttered. It "just works" through all kinds of bass amps and even straight to the PA.
Speaking of which, the Quilter driving a pretty flat 3-way cab [Acme Low B-1] seems not entirely unlike going straight to a PA - a PA with very solid low end and plenty of headroom. I find the high-end "snap" and low-end "ruble" aren't artificially exaggerated but when I want to coax either out with my playing technique, the Quilter will cooperate in a way that isn't too overbearing. "Subtly responsive" would be a good way to summarize it. (Sometimes all-tube amps are not so subtle this way IME and that can be super fun sometimes but a pain in the butt other times. The Quilter by comparison seems more well-behaved and predictable in ways both good and bad.)
I'm not familiar at all with your preamp or pickups so I can't predict how those might work. But my big takeaway thus far has been that if a signal currently works well straight to the mixing board, there's a pretty good chance it will work well with the Bass Block head.
HTH :bassist:

Interesting. My upright bass is equipped with a Realist and it is, by default, very dark and boomy. In fact I usually need to use a high-pass filter and/or to attenuate considerably the EQ band centered around 200 Hz to avoid unpleasant boominess and feedback, and to get a natural sound.

I haven't done any experimentation with the Quilter yet, other than plugging right in the amp's front end and being somewhat unconvinced by the result. I think my next step will be to plug my bass into my fdeck high-pass filter, then into my VT Bass DI (to use the pedal's 3-band EQ, but keeping the tube emulation circuitry off), then into the XLR in of the Quilter. If that gets me close enough, I guess I'll be putting my PJB rig for sale!
 
Interesting. My upright bass is equipped with a Realist and it is, by default, very dark and boomy. In fact I usually need to use a high-pass filter and/or to attenuate considerably the EQ band centered around 200 Hz to avoid unpleasant boominess and feedback, and to get a natural sound.

I haven't done any experimentation with the Quilter yet, other than plugging right in the amp's front end and being somewhat unconvinced by the result. I think my next step will be to plug my bass into my fdeck high-pass filter, then into my VT Bass DI (to use the pedal's 3-band EQ, but keeping the tube emulation circuitry off), then into the XLR in of the Quilter. If that gets me close enough, I guess I'll be putting my PJB rig for sale!
Do this with the high pass filter and the EQ pedal, but plug into the front of the amp. I do this all the time with my upright.
 
Actually I had thought to do the same, but the XLR in bypasses the Gain knob as well, so unless your bass preamp has an active gain stage to equal the Quilter, that may not work. I tried that and couldn’t get enough volume out of the upright pre.
Edit: I need to clarify this - my signalmpath may not have been a good example as I used a 1/4” to XLR cable out of the fishman pre into the Quilter line in, as opposed to true DI out of pre into the Quilter. (All I had on hand was a 1/4 TRS to XLR cable ...)
 
The trick seems to be running the gain lower and the master higher. This minimizes the compression. It also helps to scoop some of the mids on the amp's EQ. Honestly, the AO isn't getting much play time and is probably gonna get sold soon. I just snagged the Reiner Gasoline and it is growing to be a central part of my tone. Regardless, I think this amp is pretty good, but the controls and sound take some time to sort out, like any new tool in the shed. Still not sure if it will stay in the rotation. I picked it up to contrast against my two existing heads. I really can't justify holding on to all three, but the choice isn't obvious.

Update.
Did some A/B testing today, between the Quilter and the DG 900 head. I plugged in various Dunwich distortion and fuzz boxes (DA120, ODB, VT, Wizard, HM2), and most of my basses, but primarily the Spector Euro 5 and Ric 4003 (jeez, my collection expanded last year).

I bought both amps, planning to keep the one I liked best. I’m pretty attached to my basses and pedals, so the amp interplay is a big factor. After today’s test, the Quilter might be getting flipped. It’s not a bad amp by any measure, but it just isn’t the best fit for my style and gear.

The Quilter clean tone is thick and lovely, but lacks a bit of top end sheen that I like in other amps. The DG has that sheen, but isn’t quite as thick and doesn’t compress as nicely (not counting the Microtubes engine, just the dry amp). However, a little EQ on the DG can get me close enough to what I like in the Quilter, but the Quilter doesn’t quite mimic the DG. I think I just like a slightly more solid-state sounding amp, in most cases.

This sound difference particularly shows itself when using distortion, fuzz, or overdrive. The DG stays pretty aggressive sounding, with a sharper attack. The Quilter sounds like there’s a layer of politeness over it. It isn’t like a when a piece of gear makes it sound like there’s a blanket over your speaker, but it might be more like a doily. There are some pedals and settings where the DG gets overly harsh, while the Quilter stays more musical. However, more often than not, I found the DG feeling like a more comfortable fit.

If I wasn’t so attached to this certain snap/attack/sheen quality, I’m sure the Quilter would be a nice workhorse amp, particularly if I was just looking to plug my bass straight into a conveniently-sized (and nicely priced) amp, and go. What I’m attached to, sonically, may very well by barely noticeable by an audience, but I mostly play for my own enjoyment. If I wasn’t able to A/B the two, I’d probably still notice the difference, but being able to play each one side by side helped me hear and feel what I thought I was hearing and feeling.

As small as the Quilter is, it isn’t enough of a size and weight savings over the DG to make that a consideration. Particularly when you take into consideration the Microtubes engine and EQ section. Both will do 2 Ohms, though the Quilter is a bit cautionary with their rating. Both have fans, and post-Master DI Out. I’ve already stayed my position on the detentes :) All things considered, its not a no-contest type of choice, but it’s looking like I’ve found what works better for me.
 
Y'know, I'm starting to think that Pat might have a product in stripping out the pre circuits out of the BB800 and producing a standalone power amp. It would be smaller, more portable, still have the dual limiters and allow all of us tone-nuts to put whatever front end we like and not worry about the power section coloring "our sound".

Thoughts pro or con?

The BB800 does not color except when one wants it to (by pushing the limiter or otherwise twisting tone knobs.) Please do not assist this topic into the next piece of TalkBass folklore.

No one amp is everyone's cup of tea, but I must add that any attempts to separate me from my BB800's will occur over my dead body. ;)

Happy New Year!
 
Y'know, I'm starting to think that Pat might have a product in stripping out the pre circuits out of the BB800 and producing a standalone power amp. It would be smaller, more portable, still have the dual limiters and allow all of us tone-nuts to put whatever front end we like and not worry about the power section coloring "our sound".

Thoughts pro or con?
Absolutely - he would have to add the limiters to the power section as they currently reside in the preamp.
 

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