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I was being ironically disrespectful - I would have thought somebody as "switched on" as you, would have realised that long ago!! 
Context is everything!
Context is everything!
I'm not sure if I can accurately express what I want to say, but damn it I'm going to try!
In my opinion, one man's opinion is worth the world - to that one man. And at the end of the day, if 7 billion people in the world each have their own, unique opinions, then all 7 billion people are right. And at the same time, the other 6,999,999,999 people are wrong. So very, very wrong.
If I truly believe you to be inferior, and therefore don't respect you, no matter how you perceive it, I still have 0 respect for you. In your opinion, I may respect you completely, and let's give "completely" a value of 100.
So, in this instance, my opinion is that I have 0 respect for you, and your opinion is that I have 100 respect for you - I just don't like you.
So in this case, who's right and who's wrong?
Well, we're both right, and we're both so disgustingly wrong at the same time. However, if someone absolutely must "win" in this scenario, then I would say that I am the winner, and that you are wrong, simply because I am the one who is doing the respecting, or not respecting as it may be. If the tables were turned, and you were the one who felt superior to me, then I would be wrong.
Does that make sense?
I was being ironically disrespectful - I would have thought somebody as "switched on" as you, would have realised that long ago!!
Context is everything!
LOL at that whole post
I'm not sure if I can accurately express what I want to say, but damn it I'm going to try!
In my opinion, one man's opinion is worth the world - to that one man. And at the end of the day, if 7 billion people in the world each have their own, unique opinions, then all 7 billion people are right. And at the same time, the other 6,999,999,999 people are wrong. So very, very wrong.
If I truly believe you to be inferior, and therefore don't respect you, no matter how you perceive it, I still have 0 respect for you. In your opinion, I may respect you completely, and let's give "completely" a value of 100.
So, in this instance, my opinion is that I have 0 respect for you, and your opinion is that I have 100 respect for you - I just don't like you.
So in this case, who's right and who's wrong?
Well, we're both right, and we're both so disgustingly wrong at the same time. However, if someone absolutely must "win" in this scenario, then I would say that I am the winner, and that you are wrong, simply because I am the one who is doing the respecting, or not respecting as it may be. If the tables were turned, and you were the one who felt superior to me, then I would be wrong.
Does that make sense?
Yea I get what you're saying... But we're arguing about me thinking you respect me while you dont respect me. Whatever you think is your own, and if you dont respect me, I wont believe for a second you do respect me. You seem to assume that for some reason...
I'm not implying that whatever I think goes for both of us here. What i'm saying is, if I dislike a person's opinions and the general way they are, its still highly a possibility that I'll respect them, if only by showing courtesy and being polite. That is a form of respect IMHO, and alternately, the person showing courtesy and politeness shows respect.
You must start with The Golden Rule. Otherwise, how can you expect anyone to respect you if you are not willing to treat them they way you would like to be treated?
But then what do the people I do admire get from me? The way I see it, using "respect" to mean "not treating people like an ..." leaves a gaping linguistic void. And those are dangerous.
Admiration or respect. You choose. I'm not so sure about the "gaping linguistic void" that is apparently so dangerous
I'll try to explain what I mean...Respect can be expressed in different ways but I think essentially it's best defined as, as morf said, "to feel or show esteem or regard to; to treat considerately". Now this is often expressed in different ways depending on why one feels esteem or regard for another. For example, I can respect you as a musician, as a human, or as an adversary. In each case, I would express my respect for you in different ways. As a musician, my respect for you may be expressed through admiration. As a human, my respect for you would be expressed through politeness and courtesy. And as an adversary, my respect for you may be expressed through not underestimating you or expecting a worthy challenge from you. In each situation I feel a certain level of esteem for you, but I express it differently because of the circumstance and the reason for my esteem. I think the feeling itself, the "esteem" if you will, is respect, not the related expressions (admiration, courtesy, expectation, etc).
It's really much the same as the world "love". I suppose it can taken to mean quite a number of different things.
You might fall in and drown in somebody's word-hoard, you see.Admiration or respect. You choose. I'm not so sure about the "gaping linguistic void" that is apparently so dangerous
I consider respect and admiration to be two completely different things. I could respect a person's ability, but I'm not going to admire them if they're a horrible person. Respect, to me, means acknowledging a person's skills or characteristics.
I too would say that admiration and respect are two different things.
Take Michael Jackson. I admired his talent and his success. He had some stinking good songs. I have no respect for him thought. He's turned himself into a plastic whitey and it's sickening to think that young boy have slept over at his house even if he never did anything with them.
It's possible to admire someone's abilities without respecting them.
Take Michael Jackson. I admired his talent and his success. He had some stinking good songs. I have no respect for him thought. He's turned himself into a plastic whitey and it's sickening to think that young boy have slept over at his house even if he never did anything with them.
It's possible to admire someone's abilities without respecting them.
when i first meet someone i do respect them but only to a certain degree
after i have known them a little longer than start earning more respect
after i have known them a little longer than start earning more respect
I'd automatically respect anyone as an individaul. I don't think anyone has the right to consider there own lives/activities to be any more important than those of anyone else. So initially theres that inherent respect, which goes for anyone whoever they are / whatever they do.
Theres another kind of respect, which is more personal and is generally earned. I have little respect in this way for the people who'd screw me and others over, or people who try to be something there not. I have 100% respect for people who will be themselves and not knowingly do harm to others. All imho of course...
Theres another kind of respect, which is more personal and is generally earned. I have little respect in this way for the people who'd screw me and others over, or people who try to be something there not. I have 100% respect for people who will be themselves and not knowingly do harm to others. All imho of course...
