It does sound really good. Just don't go fooling with things once the ball gets rolling.
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I wanted to get the best Ampeg tube via a direct many years ago.
I use a V4B with a 300 watt, 4 ohm ballast resistor on the output and took the line out into the console (although don’t remember that detail).
Back then a Countryman 85 was the best DI available and the Ampeg crushed it.
Pain in the neck to move and set up in a hurry though.
I use a V4B with a 300 watt, 4 ohm ballast resistor on the output and took the line out into the console (although don’t remember that detail).
Back then a Countryman 85 was the best DI available and the Ampeg crushed it.
Pain in the neck to move and set up in a hurry though.
I really followed with only passive interest as my needs for an external DI are not that high on any list. But this has made me think of a question. Does a DI lose the D when it is not longer "Direct" , but colored by the interface? Just like an amp head with no "Pre" option.
Very well could be
. I guess. That's surely one way to look at it. But in my case if one cord goes to the console and one to the amp, then I'd consider the console line my direct.
I'm the same. I'm quite happy to go pre out of my amps Di and after hearing these samples I preferred the first direct recording the most, so no gas for an expensive Di here
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Hello 10cc,
Thank you for taking the time to post your files. You put forth a lot of work. I certainly didn't have time to do it. For me, all of the signals sound great, including the direct P-Bass. Most of the tones are useable. (Nice playing, by the way.) The exaggerated P-15 sound has a nice but, for me, sculpted tone. The flat P-15 has a cool sound with a bit of a bump in the low end. For some users, the dimed tone can be a fantastic thing. For me, the exaggerated settings would crush the bass drum with a sound like that. I noticed on some of your other tracks that the bass was ultra beefy and kicking the drummer's ass. I know that you were showing the tolerances and possibilities but some users get caught up in a hyped tone. As a solo instrument, that can be superb. When playing with the other kids in the sandbox, it can be difficult in sharing sonic space.
I would imagine that boosting the gain and running the B/T at 10:00 would give back a bit more of the mids that I was missing and give back the growl that I associate with a P-Bass (granted that B/T @ 12:00 is flat.) Playing with it, one could come up with some cool tones. Can the internal EQ be bypassed? For guys that want a more active sound with the Jazz bass, the P-15 might be a sweet compliment. I'm still ultra happy with my current setup as my basses sound the same but just bigger when I use my REDDI and the passive basses still sound organic (as organic as a solid piece of wood with wires can sound.
) Maybe it's just my hands. I don't know but I, my clients and bandmates love it.
Did you use mic preamps or just go direct? Although, I don't really use outboard EQ, due to the way that I work, I might have a bit of trouble. When using the REDDI for upright, electric bass, keys or synth bass I like to have EQ after compression, when I do use compression. Incidentally, the upright sound on one of the tracks was really cool. It was a bit thick but I could hear the clarity in the upper register. Was that a transducer going directly to the P-15 or was there something in front of it?
Separately, after using the REDDI for the last thirteen years, I find that running it at 10:00 is optimum for my basses and my transducers. A couple of engineers feel comfy bypassing a pre and cranking the REDDI but I don't get the subtle nuances of the instrument. It's not a sound for me. If you didn't use preamps, I can understand why you made your settings what they were.
All in all, I'm glad that your rig works for you and you're happy with it. Mine works for me. I have little ears that are close to my head and I can't swim deeper than 20 feet without searing pain. That is to say I'm gonna hear things differently. It doesn't really matter because as long as we're making live music and digging it, it's a win/win no matter what gear we use. Again, thanks for the post. It's nice to hear other players grooving with gear they love.
Stay groovy,
RH
P.S. Sorry all if that seemed like soapbox chatter. It's more than I like to write.
Thank you for taking the time to post your files. You put forth a lot of work. I certainly didn't have time to do it. For me, all of the signals sound great, including the direct P-Bass. Most of the tones are useable. (Nice playing, by the way.) The exaggerated P-15 sound has a nice but, for me, sculpted tone. The flat P-15 has a cool sound with a bit of a bump in the low end. For some users, the dimed tone can be a fantastic thing. For me, the exaggerated settings would crush the bass drum with a sound like that. I noticed on some of your other tracks that the bass was ultra beefy and kicking the drummer's ass. I know that you were showing the tolerances and possibilities but some users get caught up in a hyped tone. As a solo instrument, that can be superb. When playing with the other kids in the sandbox, it can be difficult in sharing sonic space.
I would imagine that boosting the gain and running the B/T at 10:00 would give back a bit more of the mids that I was missing and give back the growl that I associate with a P-Bass (granted that B/T @ 12:00 is flat.) Playing with it, one could come up with some cool tones. Can the internal EQ be bypassed? For guys that want a more active sound with the Jazz bass, the P-15 might be a sweet compliment. I'm still ultra happy with my current setup as my basses sound the same but just bigger when I use my REDDI and the passive basses still sound organic (as organic as a solid piece of wood with wires can sound.
) Maybe it's just my hands. I don't know but I, my clients and bandmates love it.Did you use mic preamps or just go direct? Although, I don't really use outboard EQ, due to the way that I work, I might have a bit of trouble. When using the REDDI for upright, electric bass, keys or synth bass I like to have EQ after compression, when I do use compression. Incidentally, the upright sound on one of the tracks was really cool. It was a bit thick but I could hear the clarity in the upper register. Was that a transducer going directly to the P-15 or was there something in front of it?
Separately, after using the REDDI for the last thirteen years, I find that running it at 10:00 is optimum for my basses and my transducers. A couple of engineers feel comfy bypassing a pre and cranking the REDDI but I don't get the subtle nuances of the instrument. It's not a sound for me. If you didn't use preamps, I can understand why you made your settings what they were.
All in all, I'm glad that your rig works for you and you're happy with it. Mine works for me. I have little ears that are close to my head and I can't swim deeper than 20 feet without searing pain. That is to say I'm gonna hear things differently. It doesn't really matter because as long as we're making live music and digging it, it's a win/win no matter what gear we use. Again, thanks for the post. It's nice to hear other players grooving with gear they love.
Stay groovy,
RH
P.S. Sorry all if that seemed like soapbox chatter. It's more than I like to write.
great reggie....this is the kind of post a pro player should write, showing knowledge and polite....
Good call about the possible alternative use of the tone controls.
It could be interesting to hear the p15 with a bass and treble cut, and adjusting them to achieve the reddi tone balance....just to evaluate two near identical tones except for the individual presentation....we are splitting hairs now, but if it's possible, 10 cc...
Good call about the possible alternative use of the tone controls.
It could be interesting to hear the p15 with a bass and treble cut, and adjusting them to achieve the reddi tone balance....just to evaluate two near identical tones except for the individual presentation....we are splitting hairs now, but if it's possible, 10 cc...
Round two:
@sratas
Forgot to mention that these clips are in no particular order a Arkham Zephyr, P-15, SVT into a Radial JDI in speaker mode & a REDDI
@sratas
Forgot to mention that these clips are in no particular order a Arkham Zephyr, P-15, SVT into a Radial JDI in speaker mode & a REDDI
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NICE! Great work. Again, I will wait until the reveal and try to pretend I had it right all along. That's how I roll!
Why was the REDDI's level at 3/4? In order to get the REDDI's signal to the same volume level as everything else on the machine. I was out of trim (gain) for that channel. All the channels are set at 0 along with the machines master volume (0). I hope that made sense. Old Korg we are dealing with here in mind.
You should make 6 more samples, but make them all be the same, direct to interface. Make people go crazy trying to figure it out.
True but all consoles and interface pre amps will ad colour as does everything else in the signal path. But the point of the REDDI, p-15 etc is to ad a colour that's pleasing before it gets to these other colours in the signal path. Had these samples been recorded differently I'm not sure whether I'd be any less underwhelmed by the REDDI or any less impressed by the p-15.
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In order of preference is the way I'll play. Don't really care too much about what gets me there, the end result is what matters. So:
Rank = clip #:
1=1
2=2
3=4
4=3
If 3 just had a bit more down low, it would have been basically a 4 way tie. If I could only buy one, I'd take #1.
Very impressed by your playing (and that bass) 10cc. Makes me want to go practice more.
So that makes 2 players now... I'm really confused as there are many people on the thread, but not many are willing to take a crack at it? I get it, it's a Saturday afternoon, but considering the strong feelings in previous threads, it's pretty weak IMO to not pony up when a thread like this comes along. It's not completely scientific, but it's a damn good one for what normally goes on here at TB. Not sure I feel that it requires sophisticated listening gear as I heard no benefit between EarPods and very nice headphones as far as telling which one I liked the most, so I'm considering that a bit of a cop out.
Rank = clip #:
1=1
2=2
3=4
4=3
If 3 just had a bit more down low, it would have been basically a 4 way tie. If I could only buy one, I'd take #1.
Very impressed by your playing (and that bass) 10cc. Makes me want to go practice more.
So that makes 2 players now... I'm really confused as there are many people on the thread, but not many are willing to take a crack at it? I get it, it's a Saturday afternoon, but considering the strong feelings in previous threads, it's pretty weak IMO to not pony up when a thread like this comes along. It's not completely scientific, but it's a damn good one for what normally goes on here at TB. Not sure I feel that it requires sophisticated listening gear as I heard no benefit between EarPods and very nice headphones as far as telling which one I liked the most, so I'm considering that a bit of a cop out.
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Hope I don't make a fool of oneself
NDI-2: SVT
with an typical svt growl from it's unique power amp. I'd wish there was somewhat more of typical svt "compression" but, of course it depends on loudness needed.
NDI-1: REDDI
rich and detailed Harmonics, similar like NDI-2 svt but some improved "clean" Harmonics cause there is no interaction with loudspeaker of an (svt) power amp section.
NDI-4: P-15
although everithing is "tight" and there is good articulation there it is still emphasized bassy sound combined with some roll off at top end.
ND-3: Arkham Zephyr
cause it can't be either ND-1 nor ND-2 nor ND-4
never the less similar sound like P-15 with some roll off at top end but less "bassy"
@10cc
thank's a very lot for all this work you did and for all these awesome tracks.
I'd wish to download the tracks cause at soundcloud there is some interfeence to quality of sound (that's my own sad experience). There is an option at soundcloud to make tracks available for download.
Hope I don't have to adjust my assessment, so who knows?
NDI-2: SVT
with an typical svt growl from it's unique power amp. I'd wish there was somewhat more of typical svt "compression" but, of course it depends on loudness needed.
NDI-1: REDDI
rich and detailed Harmonics, similar like NDI-2 svt but some improved "clean" Harmonics cause there is no interaction with loudspeaker of an (svt) power amp section.
NDI-4: P-15
although everithing is "tight" and there is good articulation there it is still emphasized bassy sound combined with some roll off at top end.
ND-3: Arkham Zephyr
cause it can't be either ND-1 nor ND-2 nor ND-4
never the less similar sound like P-15 with some roll off at top end but less "bassy"
@10cc
thank's a very lot for all this work you did and for all these awesome tracks.
I'd wish to download the tracks cause at soundcloud there is some interfeence to quality of sound (that's my own sad experience). There is an option at soundcloud to make tracks available for download.
Hope I don't have to adjust my assessment, so who knows?
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Hearing someone's preferences and why is way more interesting than just trying to identify the gear. I like hearing everyone's impressions, even if a favorite isn't given. It's also interesting to see some non-willingness to share a favorite.
In this round, my preference is 2>1>4>3. I waffle between 1 and 2 as favorites, but 2 has a little more grit.
In this round, my preference is 2>1>4>3. I waffle between 1 and 2 as favorites, but 2 has a little more grit.
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