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Double Bass Respect What is it? How do you earn it? (DB Forum thread)

#44
Wow, what a fine thread! Seems many issues lurking here over the years, and especially recently, have been aired.

Ah, the "name thing." Indeed, there's a difference between posting anonymously and using a pseudonym. I appreciate the thoughts of those who spoke about this here. Personally, I have reasons, having to do with my professional life, for not posting under my name. Still, many, if not most, of the regulars here know exactly who I am and I've sure shared with them plenty via PM. I endeavor to give advice and share experiences with regard to aspects of the DB about which I believe I am well-versed. Most of you are far better players than I am. You will rarely, if ever, find me giving advice about technique. Enough about me. ;)

For better and for worse, everyone has a voice in an internet forum. I think it's always important to "consider the source." That's why I really encourage folks to fill out their profiles (and that even offends some). A newbie asks advice about bass-buying or brands. We've all seen it... a teenager with his first bass gets on and posts:

"I just got a XXXXX SR-15654 and it's the best bass for the money bar none. In fact, it's as good as a bass costing twice as much. I bought it from Mr. Fred Whosawhatzit and got great service and a fine deal."

Right after that, a player with decades of experience posts:

"I think you'd do well to consider brands A, B, and C for these reasons..."

Each of the posters deserves respect as a person. Should each post be given equal "respect" or equal weight? I don't think so. Now, when someone politely asks, "What is your experience with such matters?" I've found that, more often than not, it brings a flaming retort from the relative newbie.

People deserve respect but not all opinions do. Some lose sight of this. It's unfortunate that some whose opinions are disrespected (objectively and politely) take it as a personal affront. We're all entitled to our own set of opinions but not to our own set of facts. Given that we form our opinions on the basis of our own experiences and "sets of data," it is relevant to ask what that "data-set" is. Asking that question is not, in and of itself, insulting.

For sure, there's bad behavior on the part of all generations. I've sure said things that were unwise. Still, at least statistically, the "instant gratification" expectation often comes from younger members who just can't be bothered to read the stickies or to use the search function. To me, that shows a certain disrespect for this community as a whole.

I think of TB as a local bar where folks sit around and exchange information. There are the regulars who get to know each other over years, have inside jokes, and can rib each other in good humor. New folks are welcome to come and pull up a chair. They should be greeted with open arms. You wouldn't, however, stroll into a bar as a newcomer and start right off with, "Hey you fools, let me tell you what it's all about." Or... "Hey I want to know about this right now!" Sure the analogy breaks down if you push it too far but you get the picture.

I happen to agree with Troy's sentiments regarding the nature of TB and ridiculous threads. To me, it does matter. It affects how TB is perceived as a resource and it affects who will participate.

Well, perhaps I've gone on too long. I still love this place. Over the years, I've come to meet and know many new DB friends and have been fortunate to meet some wonderful people in person as a direct consequence of sharing our passion in these pages.

Happy holidays and new year to you all.

Les
 
#46
Ed Fuqua said:
What we know to be true, we know from our own experiences. The problem is, we all have had different experiences.
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The thing is, in the strict logical sense, we cannot "know" anything that is untrue. (Some of you will, no doubt, be pondering that one :)). What we believe is another story. That's quite relevant to my earlier post. Some beliefs and opinions are based on falsehoods. Of course, some opinions are based purely on preferences. For example, most of us have read the posts that go:

I just bought a Xin-Dao combination plywood/cardboard bass for $349 on eBay. I gotta tell you... it sounds as good as any carved bass.

Then someone (me, for example) points out that such an opinion likely represents preferences that differ radically from most players, a limited experience with carved basses, or both. Then the poster stomps and screams that he's entitled to his opinion. He is, but...
 
#49
Chris Fitzgerald said:
Part of Paul's vision for the forum is that we no longer delete old posts except in cases of identity concern, and then we only delete the sensitive information. He wants people to stand behind their posts, and this is an incentive to do so. The good news is that not many people see the really old posts. In addition to thinking it's good policy, I am personally happy for this. :hiding:
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this is for you, Chris: The Picard Video - YouTube

I'll make a legitimate post to this thread in a bit. I'm still absorbing and needed to get this out of my system.
 
#51
Febs said:
OK, so now I'm curious: you do not appear to play DB, at least according to your profile. Why would you bother to post an absolutely meaningless post in this thread, in this forum?
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Sorry Kim Jong II, I didn't realize it was that exclusive...just curious, is that what DB's look like in your avatar pic? Boy they sure have changed since I've seen'em...hurray for technology!


Happy Kwanza
 
#53
oh, i see, it's ok for some members to poke fun and others not........that would indicate a sense of a pecking order here.......approved members can be joke a bit about screen names without worry, but others not then......:D
 
#54
HeadyVan Halen said:
Sorry Kim Jong II, I didn't realize it was that exclusive...just curious, is that what DB's look like in your avatar pic? Boy they sure have changed since I've seen'em...hurray for technology!.....
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Well it was fun while it lasted. I want to thank all who contributed up to this point for a great discussion on a topic that needed to be addressed. It was cool for over 24 hours. I have learned, enjoyed and gained some insight. That is always good in my view. I also wish all of you a wonderful Holiday Season.

Now I see that those who have to hurl insults, call names and generally be obnoxious have found this thread....Let the games begin :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek: Can't wait to see what some of our more entitled and/or delusional posters have to say. Anyone want to take bets on how long this thread will remain open?

LOL
 
#59
fingers said:
Nothing like a few disrespectful posts to ornament a thread about respect. Shesh.

And Kwanzaa (correct spelling) begins Dec 26. Please be respectful of an important holiday.
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The only thing worst than spelling Nazi's are internet Mills Lane's...that's being a ref. when 2 grown people are going at it on-line..Heaven forbid we don't all agree! Heaven forbid we might even add small entertainment value to a post instead of the usual...Heaven forbid we even post in a DB forum when poster (me) doesn't play one but the thread was about RESPECT not about DB's..
I'm not 100% on this but I can deduce with high probablity that I didn't hurt his feelings and ruin his Holiday cheer. And if so, well, there's always next year which is 7 days away.

Happy All Saints Day
 
#60
drurb said:
The thing is, in the strict logical sense, we cannot "know" anything that is untrue. (Some of you will, no doubt, be pondering that one :)).
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MR PC said:
didn't Spock say that in an old episode of Star Trek? that's it! you are not Doc.....you are Spock! :D
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I'll check my ears in the mirror. :D Didn't know Spock said that. He sure wasn't the first.

Happy holidays and new year!
 

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