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Roger's take, in a nutshell

Check out Sadowsky's price list. Maple and Morado cost the same. Rosewood is an upcharge and is more of an up-charge depending on how fancy you want. Ebony is a $200 up-charge. I think those that are basically claiming that he's selling snake oil to make a buck didn't watch the video. The fingerboard differences also applies to your Squiers.
 
The perpetual argument; because people are arguing two completely unrelated aspects. LOL.

Audiences can NOT discriminate the materials of construction. Most basses sound like basses.

OTOH, players can easily discriminate differences in the materials of construction as to the way the instrument feels and plays. Call it the vibe. BIG differences there.

TB threads tend to polarize into folks railing at each other about those two points, as though they are the same thing. They aren’t. Both are true.
 
I watched the video shortly after it was released and I can't argue with Roger. Full disclosure... I believe tone wood matters. I have heard too many basses with the same electronics, same luthier, same strings, same amp and cab, same room, same time, and vastly different woods sound vastly different. Vastly doesn't imply that one sounded like a bass and the other sounded like a saxophone; they both played the same notes. I have several basses from the same luthier, same style, same electronics, and they all sound different to me. I'm sure most can't tell the difference, but I don't care.

I understand those that say Roger sells fancy wood and so his opinion is to sell fancy wood. This argument is not new and I don't even think it's that insightful. If his purpose was to say things to sell fancy wood, wouldn't he have pitched some fancy top that would have added $1,000's to the price tag? How does fretboard wood changes pad his pocket? I don't like the basses, but those that do, would buy them regardless of what he said. For what it's worth, I would love to just have coffee with him and let him talk about his experiences.

So... What am I saying? Tone-wood matters, from the headstock to the bridge, construction quality matters too, other parts and pieces that affect the way the strings vibrate also have an effect. Those that can't hear it, never will. Those that can hear it, will always seek it out. Neither will ever persuade the other to cross the river.
 
Regardless of how Roger's insight is digested by the TalkBass family, we should pause to appreciate a builder of his stature being willing to take the time to repeatedly share his experiences, respond to the average Joe's questions and clear up all the bad intel floating around. How many other elite builders do this? Roger, I thank you.

Think about it, folks -- Roger doesn't need to post here. He's been in the upper echelon of bass building for many years. For anyone to say his posts are only a method to sell certain species of wood is laughable. In reality, he worked his butt off and created a brand of instruments that sound and play wonderful and are recognized as such across the planet.

I'll let the fact that many ads for high-end basses on this site include some sort of wording that reads, "Will trade for Sadowsky NYC" speak for itself. :cool:

Thank you for your kind words.
Roger
 
Hate to be a cynic but he makes more money from telling evryone about expensive woods than from say innovation or the electronics. He's one clever dude and u all fall for it..
I usually reserve my time on Talkbass to answer questions or correct mis-information. This reply is so cynical and odious, I am compelled to reply. My FET preamp circuit has stood the test of time for 40 years, as well as some of my pickup designs. I have never promoted my fancier woods and have never implied it makes a better instrument. A large portion of our production are simple ash or alder bodies without any fancy neck woods or fingerboards. I have always said that our beautiful lam tops or roasted flame maple necks, are for cosmetic reasons only. There is something lurking behind this comment that goes way beyond cynicism.
 
For what it is worth, I think the material used for neck reinforcement rods also contributes to the overall tone of an instrument.
( I do realize not every neck manufacture installs reinforcement rods)

Warmoth recently put out a video comparing two maple necks: one with steel reinforcement rods, one with graphite reinforcement rods.
The neck with steel reinforcement rods was notably brighter.
 
One thing that I can clearly see as a result of this thread... why so many builders avoid this site and or express their opinions here.
Thanks Roger for your insight and you willingness to share.
Fishheadjoe
I have always dug listening to Roger talk in his videos and interviews and it never occurred to me that he might be disingenuous in any way. We have lost a lot of experience and knowledge over the years here on talk bass because of, well, talk bass.
 
Hate to be a cynic but he makes more money from telling evryone about expensive woods than from say innovation or the electronics. He's one clever dude and u all fall for it..

You are obviously completely unaware of anything discussed in the video, or it just sailed completely over your head. Your comment makes no sense in relation to anything Roger said.

To break it down for you in simple terms, it could be summed up as "Maple or Rosewood sound different; you should use your own ears and play what you like."
 
Hate to be a cynic but he makes more money from telling evryone about expensive woods than from say innovation or the electronics. He's one clever dude and u all fall for it..
Which expensive woods are you talking about? The video in question has Roger commenting on the difference between maple and rosewood fingerboards - with a a brief mention of ebony at the end. Rosewood and maple have been the most common options for fingerboard woods for ages, across any number of brands - from "budget" to high end. Same goes for ash and alder where bodies are concerned. Are we talking about the quality of the wood? Well then sure, any top-tier luthier is going to pride him/herself on providing carefully selected wood, whatever the species. But it doesn't take a very high level of perception to see that Roger could be favouring much more expensive options for body and fingerboard woods than he does if it was all about duping the customer. He has explicitly stated in interviews that he does not believe the tops on his basses (being as thin as they are) have a significant impact on tone. If his intention was to push expensive wood on his customers for the sake of making a buck don't you think claiming the opposite might be a good way to go?

You'd have to be denser than ebony to fail to see that what you're proposing doesn't add up.
 
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One thing that I can clearly see as a result of this thread... why so many builders avoid this site and or express their opinions here.
Thanks Roger for your insight and you willingness to share.
Fishheadjoe
The beauty of the internet. You're always going to find people who use it as an outlet for their frustrations (I guess I can be guilty of that at times myself). The thing is, there's a way to disagree while remaining civil.
 
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Roger is and always has been one of the nicest , most decent and upstanding men I have ever had the pleasure of dealing with.
I treasure the letter he wrote to me in 1988 and I have enjoyed several of his basses and preamps.
I love Roger...Fanboy here
A luthier might make it in the instrument business by conning a segment of the population, but I have a very difficult time believing that a luthier would be able to develop the kind of reputation Roger has by conducting himself in such a way. Geez, I'd like to think that bassists on the whole aren't that stupid. :laugh:
 
For what it is worth, I think the material used for neck reinforcement rods also contributes to the overall tone of an instrument.
( I do realize not every neck manufacture installs reinforcement rods)

Warmoth recently put out a video comparing two maple necks: one with steel reinforcement rods, one with graphite reinforcement rods.
The neck with steel reinforcement rods was notably brighter.

Of course. Everything makes a difference!
 
re the Cynic...

Have you ever actually played an NYC? Or an MIJ? Those of us that have been playing a long time, and have been fortunate enough to play these instruments, know they're a cut above. When I first test drove one, I simply couldn't deny that these instruments were built for the most discriminating of player. They just sing, the tone is pure and strong, their sensitivity is off the charts, and their comfort is such that I don't have to fight it. At all. Moreover, to his credit, Roger's bedside manner has been something I could personally never duplicate. God bless him for keeping his cool through these internet/social media years.
 
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I usually reserve my time on Talkbass to answer questions or correct mis-information. This reply is so cynical and odious, I am compelled to reply. My FET preamp circuit has stood the test of time for 40 years, as well as some of my pickup designs. I have never promoted my fancier woods and have never implied it makes a better instrument. A large portion of our production are simple ash or alder bodies without any fancy neck woods or fingerboards. I have always said that our beautiful lam tops or roasted flame maple necks, are for cosmetic reasons only. There is something lurking behind this comment that goes way beyond cynicism.
Hey Roger; Illegetimi non Carborundum.

Those of us who’ve been around a bit treasure your work and efforts. Many thanks.
 
One thing that I can clearly see as a result of this thread... why so many builders avoid this site and or express their opinions here.
Thanks Roger for your insight and you willingness to share.
Fishheadjoe
Good thing Michael Tobias isn’t posting, he’d be raked over the coals by the “experts”. :laugh:
 
My take - all the components of the bass make some difference. Certainly the materials that comprise the majority of the instrument are going to have some impact on the sound. The Eng. Physics background in me suggests that regardless of some people's belief that wood makes no difference, the bass guitar is not infinitely massive and infinitely rigid and so the string vibrating induces vibration of the structure, which affects how the string vibrates and ultimately the tone. If you don't believe this, then I refer you to the existence of dead spots on a neck. I also think the laminate top makes some difference to how the string is vibrating as it has some effect on the physical properties of the structure. It seems it would be pretty subtle.

Is the difference massive? Not in my experience. The ash bodied bass and alder bodies basses still sound like basses (so does the mahogany bodied bass). Can the audience tell? It seems that the majority in the audience probably cannot. Can the bassist tell? Maybe... probably with legitimate A/B testing. Does the bassist care? Some do, some don't. Am I drawing all of these conclusions myself? Yes.
 
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