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Saying System of a down sucks?
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FaithNoMan said:
Parabol/Parabola - Drop B/E (BEDG)
No Quarter (cover) Bass is in standard (guitar is in drop d)
Crawl Away - bass is in standard (guitar is in drop d)
I nominate this thread for dumb thread of the year. On one side we've got people who don't like SOAD and think they're talentless. On the other side, we've got SOAD defenders calling into question the abilities of anyone who criticizes them. Both sides are acting like babies.
SOAD is clearly not talentless. It only takes a couple listens to a couple songs to realize that. I'm not going to debate the merits of their music, but it is clearly wrong to call them talentless. You can say you don't like the music, but if you can't hear their talent, then I suggest that you really don't know much about music.
However, they are often very difficult to listen to. Quite often their songs sound discordant and screeching. So I can't blame the folks who don't like them. I don't like everything they do, either.
But what's most difficult to listen to is you babies whining when someone doesn't take your side. For the side who doesn't like them, you say they're talentless with absolutely no basis in fact other than you think they can't read music. That is just plain wrong and there is no argument about it. They have plenty of talent.
And for the side who likes them, you bring up how people who don't like them aren't playing arenas and selling huge albums. First off, the bands at major record companies who sell tons of albums pay tons of money to radio station companies and DJ's to insure that they get played on the radio. That doesn't necessarily mean that they don't deserve their status, because you can still not sell albums and tickets to shows even after buying your way onto the radio. But just because someone else doesn't have $3,000,000 to buy their way onto radio and therefore can't compete with bands who do doesn't make their opinions less valid. Are YOUR opinions any more valid? You're not selling tons of albums and show tickets, either.
So both sides really need to get over themselves. Quite frankly, I would like to see all of you shut up. Like them or not. What the hell difference does it make? Now go hug your families and be glad you're alive to make this stupid-ass argument and concentrate on stuff that actually matters.
SOAD is clearly not talentless. It only takes a couple listens to a couple songs to realize that. I'm not going to debate the merits of their music, but it is clearly wrong to call them talentless. You can say you don't like the music, but if you can't hear their talent, then I suggest that you really don't know much about music.
However, they are often very difficult to listen to. Quite often their songs sound discordant and screeching. So I can't blame the folks who don't like them. I don't like everything they do, either.
But what's most difficult to listen to is you babies whining when someone doesn't take your side. For the side who doesn't like them, you say they're talentless with absolutely no basis in fact other than you think they can't read music. That is just plain wrong and there is no argument about it. They have plenty of talent.
And for the side who likes them, you bring up how people who don't like them aren't playing arenas and selling huge albums. First off, the bands at major record companies who sell tons of albums pay tons of money to radio station companies and DJ's to insure that they get played on the radio. That doesn't necessarily mean that they don't deserve their status, because you can still not sell albums and tickets to shows even after buying your way onto the radio. But just because someone else doesn't have $3,000,000 to buy their way onto radio and therefore can't compete with bands who do doesn't make their opinions less valid. Are YOUR opinions any more valid? You're not selling tons of albums and show tickets, either.
So both sides really need to get over themselves. Quite frankly, I would like to see all of you shut up. Like them or not. What the hell difference does it make? Now go hug your families and be glad you're alive to make this stupid-ass argument and concentrate on stuff that actually matters.
This has been interesting because I have learned a few thing's from it. I wont list them for the sake of it not sounding like a scooby doo episode, but this thread has changed my perspective on other peoples music. So the outcome of the argument for me was positive.
And of course it's one of my thread's to get a dumb of the year nomination.........it's my 6th thread this year.
And of course it's one of my thread's to get a dumb of the year nomination.........it's my 6th thread this year.
edit: opps, mis read a post.
anyways while i don't think system is the greatest thing ever. i do think they are alot better then anything else you hear on the radio or mtv(muchmusic for my fellow canadians)
anyways while i don't think system is the greatest thing ever. i do think they are alot better then anything else you hear on the radio or mtv(muchmusic for my fellow canadians)
Okay, I was too lazy to read the rest of the thread, but as far as I got...
1.I like the new System a lot, and I've always liked System, even from the first album. I honestly don't give two s***'s about anyways musical opinions anymore because my taste in music is so bizzare that I could take flak from anyone. So I focus on what I like and don't care if someone dislikes it (something people on most forums need to learn how to do).
2.I like Darron's singing. I think he can sing very well, and other times not so well. But in a way, someone who can sound that irritating intrigues me and I end up likeing. I guess I like stuff that I really really dislike. House techno is like that for me. For me to hate something so much, it impresses me and I end up liking it.
Hope that rant wasn't too...out there.
1.I like the new System a lot, and I've always liked System, even from the first album. I honestly don't give two s***'s about anyways musical opinions anymore because my taste in music is so bizzare that I could take flak from anyone. So I focus on what I like and don't care if someone dislikes it (something people on most forums need to learn how to do).
2.I like Darron's singing. I think he can sing very well, and other times not so well. But in a way, someone who can sound that irritating intrigues me and I end up likeing. I guess I like stuff that I really really dislike. House techno is like that for me. For me to hate something so much, it impresses me and I end up liking it.
Hope that rant wasn't too...out there.
If you listen to any of there songs at all and actually try to translate the words then you would see the meaning and thought behind them. and if you listen to them they think that everyone are also being brainwashed by propoganda and the governments lies. They write what they feel at the time if its humoress, religious, poilitics, depressing, maybe sexual.
They have talent and fans and people are intimidated maybe you are one of them, maybe you arent.
You stated your opinion, why cant they state theres?
They have talent and fans and people are intimidated maybe you are one of them, maybe you arent.
You stated your opinion, why cant they state theres?
Ok Tool is in no way, shape, or form "nu-metal."
Im not a SOAD fan whatsoever, but i will admit that they are talented. Alot of the musicianship in the band is recognized in time signatures of the band. I personally don't care for their lyrics at all. Even though they are talented, I would deffinetly not classify them as the most innovative band out today. In my opinion they are far far away from being that.
Im not a SOAD fan whatsoever, but i will admit that they are talented. Alot of the musicianship in the band is recognized in time signatures of the band. I personally don't care for their lyrics at all. Even though they are talented, I would deffinetly not classify them as the most innovative band out today. In my opinion they are far far away from being that.
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KeithBMI said:If we're talking about bad lyrics, I give you...
"Rock Lobster" - The B-52's
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Don't you go bad mouthing the B-52's. I mean like the band is pure genius. Take one effeminate gay male, two hot chicks, and an album full of danceable songs with meaningless lyrics, and you have created the ultimate party band. Ok, well, maybe they are a bit silly.
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mike_v_s said:
Sure, it is always easy to pick on poor Spork. Give it a break. I hear that its father, Fork, ran out on the family when Spork was just a baby. Then Spoon had to turn tricks just to earn enough to pay the bills. Meanwhile Fork is running off with the exotic Chopsticks. Oh, the mixed up life of eating utensils.
I am probably one of the older SOAD fans here at 31.
Personally, I think they are great, and doing something far different than has ever been done in the genere (don't give me that FNM rip off garbage!) Metal with metal eastern melodies and feel? Can't say I have heard that one before.
Agreed, a lot of their lyrics are nonsense, and their political rants get really old on me as well (although I guess they have a right to be mad about the armenian genocide thing).
I don't think any of the members really excel at their given crafts, but the chemistry among the band is perfect for what they do, and some of the melodies and changes within the song are simply genius. A good example of their eastern melodies that stands out to me is the background (kind of burried in the mix) to chop suey, at the "why have you forsaken me" part....the underlying guitar and piano work is just awesome with how it fits, and I don't think it could have been said better.
A lot seem to love the debut cd and not so much the others, which IMO lacks a lot of the signature SOAD feel and relies more on the power chord chugga chugga. I like them all, and with exception of 2-3 songs, it is my least favorite SOAD. Not totally thrilled with hypnotize either (the conclusion with soldier side is great though), but mezmerize makes up for it IMO.
I think this band isn't one that is able to be judged by first glance, it was definitely an acquired taste for me, but like I said they have evolved into my favorite band, and ONLY heavy band I will even listen to anymore.
Saw them live a couple months ago, and as expected.....was absolutely killer!
Personally, I think they are great, and doing something far different than has ever been done in the genere (don't give me that FNM rip off garbage!) Metal with metal eastern melodies and feel? Can't say I have heard that one before.
Agreed, a lot of their lyrics are nonsense, and their political rants get really old on me as well (although I guess they have a right to be mad about the armenian genocide thing).
I don't think any of the members really excel at their given crafts, but the chemistry among the band is perfect for what they do, and some of the melodies and changes within the song are simply genius. A good example of their eastern melodies that stands out to me is the background (kind of burried in the mix) to chop suey, at the "why have you forsaken me" part....the underlying guitar and piano work is just awesome with how it fits, and I don't think it could have been said better.
A lot seem to love the debut cd and not so much the others, which IMO lacks a lot of the signature SOAD feel and relies more on the power chord chugga chugga. I like them all, and with exception of 2-3 songs, it is my least favorite SOAD. Not totally thrilled with hypnotize either (the conclusion with soldier side is great though), but mezmerize makes up for it IMO.
I think this band isn't one that is able to be judged by first glance, it was definitely an acquired taste for me, but like I said they have evolved into my favorite band, and ONLY heavy band I will even listen to anymore.
Saw them live a couple months ago, and as expected.....was absolutely killer!
Make that three effeminate gay males, as all three of those guys are/were super gay (I included original guitarist Ricky Wilson in that even though he's dead). And though it can be argued that Kate Pierson was hot once upon a time, Cindy Wilson...eh...xyllion said:Don't you go bad mouthing the B-52's. I mean like the band is pure genius. Take one effeminate gay male, two hot chicks, and an album full of danceable songs with meaningless lyrics, and you have created the ultimate party band. Ok, well, maybe they are a bit silly.
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