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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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Yeah, it's all like that ain't it!
I'm a big 410 fan. I really thought the 21012 was gonna be what I wanted, but Jorg went to great lengths to get me into the 410. I really suits my doubling needs well.
I still want a 1210 for smaller venues;)









I'm a convert, what can I say.
 
#1,982
YES!!! I persisted with fedex and got my cab TODAY!! Not tomorow!!

It's freaking sweet! It's clean and defined, yet coloured and has that slight low mid bump. It's so damn punchy and loud. The V8 and Sterling really, really sing through it. I'm so happy.

And you guys were right. Plenty of low end with a BIG thump and punch to boot.

I'll post review and pics soon :D
 
#1,983
popinfresh said:
YES!!! I persisted with fedex and got my cab TODAY!! Not tomorrow!!
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Yeah!!!

Something I've found works really well in these situations is to keep your eyes open for declarations of their customer policy. You know the kind of thing, "We love our customers, Customers come first, Service is our name, Always on time, blah blah blah". If you're in their office their policy is usually on the front counter or hanging on the wall, if you're on the phone the bluddy hold muzak will usually pause to tell you the same thing, how valuable you and your time are or some such rhubarb. This is just the best stick to beat them with! As lo-freq says escalate the problem up the chain and eventually you get to the layer of management that actually developed the customer policy, and guess what, it's their baby and it's important to them. When you ask if it's true or just bs, they can't fix your problem fast enuff! Works for me. (sorry for the off topic discourse...)
 
#1,984
Larry Kaye said:
just got home from a 1.5 hour gig outdoors. First time using the Schro 410. ooooooooooweeeeeeeeeeeee....that was fun. Really punchy, clean, and articulate. Nice volume. I had so much room left on my 600 watt Focus head I could have doubled the volume. Nice high end....subtle, not paralyzing, but it cut through.

My bandmembers couldn't believe the punchiness of this rig. They heard every great chop and every freakin' mistake I made tonight loud and clear. It was especially effective with eighth and sixteenth notes and ghostnote funking around. The little slapping I did just zinged through me....it was very scary to know you have this much power and so much left over ready. Reminds me of driving the first time in a turbo charged car. I found that really invigorating, how much of a rush of power comes over the car. That's a similar feeling to having so much undistorted clean bass on stage, outdoors yet, no PA help...and none needed on this gig. 8 piece horn band. You gotta love it.

I was blown away....it was better than I expected and I was expecting a lot. Gotta nother outdoor gig tomorrow night subbing in Cleveland's top Motown show band. I've been preparing for this gig for the last three weeks and still don't have all the stuff down that I'd like to...the band plays three sets, a dance set, a show set featuring 4 singers up front, and then a final dance set....they don't stop between songs, they don't play the songs in the same keys as my other band, this is a real challenge, but to know that I'm gonna at least sound great, whether on the right chord or not, is a relief!!!

I'll keep you posted. Jorg called me yesterday to answer some questions and reassure me that the 410 was the best choice for what I wanted to accomplish as a little larger stand alone cabinet for outdoor and larger venues. He's feeling better but sore. I was thrilled to hear directly from him and be given personal service. The 410 sounds great. Now if they would just invent a 40 pound cabinet that sounds like this one although my 1210 is damn close.

LKaye
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Chef said:
Yeah, it's all like that ain't it!
I'm a big 410 fan. I really thought the 21012 was gonna be what I wanted, but Jorg went to great lengths to get me into the 410. I really suits my doubling needs well.
I still want a 1210 for smaller venues;)









I'm a convert, what can I say.
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popinfresh said:
YES!!! I persisted with fedex and got my cab TODAY!! Not tomorow!!

It's freaking sweet! It's clean and defined, yet coloured and has that slight low mid bump. It's so damn punchy and loud. The V8 and Sterling really, really sing through it. I'm so happy.

And you guys were right. Plenty of low end with a BIG thump and punch to boot.

I'll post review and pics soon :D
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Glad to hear others enjoying the Schro 410.

I've had mine a little over a year now and I still love it.

Solid, punchy, great tone & projection, and enough volume for a lot of outdoor gigs.

I played an outdoor benefit last weekend and found myself for the first time wishing I had a Gramma pad.

The band set up on an elevated wooden porch (not quite a deck); I thought I was having problems with my preamp or power amp -- the sound was very OD-ish (didn't sound bad -- I actually got comments from another bass player asking what kind of equipment I was using and how good it sounded -- just not my cup of tea) and I couldn't dial that out. I also had to crank it more than I expected -- I've done three other outdoor gigs with it.

Set everything back up at home the next day & cranked it and there was the 'Tone' I was used to.

Very odd because the porch seems pretty solid, but there were like half inch gaps between the 2x4's that the porch consisted of -- I guess just some weird acoustic anomoly that an isolation pad would have probably fixed.

Anyway, even with such odd acoustical impact on the sound, it still had good tone.
 
#1,985
lo-freq said:
Glad to hear others enjoying the Schro 410.

I played an outdoor benefit last weekend and found myself for the first time wishing I had a Gramma pad.

The band set up on an elevated wooden porch (not quite a deck); I thought I was having problems with my preamp or power amp -- the sound was very OD-ish (didn't sound bad -- I actually got comments from another bass player asking what kind of equipment I was using and how good it sounded -- just not my cup of tea) and I couldn't dial that out. I also had to crank it more than I expected -- I've done three other outdoor gigs with it.

Set everything back up at home the next day & cranked it and there was the 'Tone' I was used to.

Very odd because the porch seems pretty solid, but there were like half inch gaps between the 2x4's that the porch consisted of -- I guess just some weird acoustic anomoly that an isolation pad would have probably fixed.

Anyway, even with such odd acoustical impact on the sound, it still had good tone.
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Sounds like an A/C Power issue. I have had that happen in several different places. If the voltage is not constant or you are putting a strain on the system you will get fluctuations in your tone and volume too.
 
#1,986
popinfresh said:
YES!!! I persisted with fedex and got my cab TODAY!! Not tomorow!!

It's freaking sweet! It's clean and defined, yet coloured and has that slight low mid bump. It's so damn punchy and loud. The V8 and Sterling really, really sing through it. I'm so happy.

And you guys were right. Plenty of low end with a BIG thump and punch to boot.

I'll post review and pics soon :D
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Awesome!!!! Great news!
 
#1,987
iriegnome said:
Sounds like an A/C Power issue. I have had that happen in several different places. If the voltage is not constant or you are putting a strain on the system you will get fluctuations in your tone and volume too.
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Why didn't I think of that?
I bet that was it.

I need my own 3000W portable generator for those type of gigs.

:help:

I bet something really efficient like a AI Focus or iAmp-800 wouldn't run into that as often.
 
#1,988
popinfresh said:
YES!!! I persisted with fedex and got my cab TODAY!! Not tomorow!!

It's freaking sweet! It's clean and defined, yet coloured and has that slight low mid bump. It's so damn punchy and loud. The V8 and Sterling really, really sing through it. I'm so happy.

And you guys were right. Plenty of low end with a BIG thump and punch to boot.

I'll post review and pics soon :D
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Glad that worked out for you.

You're going to have a BLAST with that thing live.

I'd love to hear one powered by a V8 myself. :bassist:
 
#1,993
I've got the rackmount version - it's done a great job filtering noise - much better than the cheaper Furmans units that I've had in the past. The main new feature is that it stores extra juice (like an APC for computers) for when your amp needs it. The outlets are split between "amp" and "digital" - I think the reserve power feature only applies to the "amp" outlets, while the filtering applies to all. If you have seriously messed power (like I've had on a festival gig where the contractor didn't set up the generator correctly), the unit won't cover you, but it should cover gig's where your pushing the power limit.
 
#1,994
James Hart said:
and yeah, knowing my Classic 400 into some schroeders, I'd love to hear a V8 through some... the V8 was my #1 choice when looking for an all tube head last year.
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*giggles like a school girl* Ooer, this thing is sweet. It's just... wow. *picks up jaw*.

I think i'll have to get soundclips from our next gig. Hopefully that'l show some of the potential of the pair.
 
#1,995
Played the 410 for the last 3 nights consecutively. The second gig was with a 6 instrument, 5 singer Motown review at a large city festival in suburban Cleveland. The 410 performed flawlessly. Very clean, clear, and punchy on stage with pulenteeeee of bottom without losing either the low mid bump? or highs. Gig 3 was in an old fashion acoustically speaking, party center for a wedding. Wood floor stage and room. VERY VERY loud no matter what ya do. Crowd put up with it because they had no choice!!! I've played in this room at least 5 times before with various combinations of equipment. Using two EA 208 cabinets from the stage there was no bottom projection into the room and the band had a hard time hearing me. Using an Epifani Nyc 310, the bass sounded mushy...I couldn't get a balance between the low mids and sounding like a honking goose. I either played for the audience soundwise (we don't have PA support in this band) with no consideration for my bandmates or comfort level for ME on stage, or you sound "decent" on stage but get a mushy drone of non-definition into the audience. Using an Epifani 212, sound better in room but tough on my bandmates and me...difficult to hear me on stage and get a volume balance between tolerable on stage with no being too loud in the room. By the way, until I got the Schroeders, this 212 was my all time favorite cabinet, but it did have it's quirks in certain rooms. Last but not least was using two LDS 208's and the only issue here was I was constantly blowing out the tweeter fuse and there was a lack of definition and mids to the sound, but the volume balance between the stage and room was decent but the band didn't hear me very distinctly. So.....now for the Schro 410.

You already know what I'm going to say like the jokes about there being three men, a rabbi, priest, and a pastor...etc. etc. The 410 in this room was really like driving a turbocharged car. It projected clear and clean tone into the room. Everyone in the room and on stage had no trouble hearing me. I used the same eq settings except I cut the lows slightly on the bass. I was a little "loud" on stage but it sounded really nice...punchy, lows, highs, mids and it didn't rumble around the room. What was really impressive was that I had the preamp on my AI Focus on 9:00 and the volume control just over a 1/4. I can't imagine even in a concert situation using much more stage volume than this, perhaps a second cabinet on the other side of the stage, but it was loud and there was a lotta room left on the amp to increase the volume without farting out the speakers. It was pretty darn amazing.

Anyhow, I loved it and got no complaints from the band or the brides mother or mother-in-law, or grandparents, so, I'm happy.

That's it. I"m gonna put a set of removeable castors on the cabinet, otherwise, we're a happy camper.

Lkaye
 
#1,996
Larry Kaye said:
Played the 410 for the last 3 nights consecutively. The second gig was with a 6 instrument, 5 singer Motown review at a large city festival in suburban Cleveland. The 410 performed flawlessly. Very clean, clear, and punchy on stage with pulenteeeee of bottom without losing either the low mid bump? or highs. Gig 3 was in an old fashion acoustically speaking, party center for a wedding. Wood floor stage and room. VERY VERY loud no matter what ya do. Crowd put up with it because they had no choice!!! I've played in this room at least 5 times before with various combinations of equipment. Using two EA 208 cabinets from the stage there was no bottom projection into the room and the band had a hard time hearing me. Using an Epifani Nyc 310, the bass sounded mushy...I couldn't get a balance between the low mids and sounding like a honking goose. I either played for the audience soundwise (we don't have PA support in this band) with no consideration for my bandmates or comfort level for ME on stage, or you sound "decent" on stage but get a mushy drone of non-definition into the audience. Using an Epifani 212, sound better in room but tough on my bandmates and me...difficult to hear me on stage and get a volume balance between tolerable on stage with no being too loud in the room. By the way, until I got the Schroeders, this 212 was my all time favorite cabinet, but it did have it's quirks in certain rooms. Last but not least was using two LDS 208's and the only issue here was I was constantly blowing out the tweeter fuse and there was a lack of definition and mids to the sound, but the volume balance between the stage and room was decent but the band didn't hear me very distinctly. So.....now for the Schro 410.

You already know what I'm going to say like the jokes about there being three men, a rabbi, priest, and a pastor...etc. etc. The 410 in this room was really like driving a turbocharged car. It projected clear and clean tone into the room. Everyone in the room and on stage had no trouble hearing me. I used the same eq settings except I cut the lows slightly on the bass. I was a little "loud" on stage but it sounded really nice...punchy, lows, highs, mids and it didn't rumble around the room. What was really impressive was that I had the preamp on my AI Focus on 9:00 and the volume control just over a 1/4. I can't imagine even in a concert situation using much more stage volume than this, perhaps a second cabinet on the other side of the stage, but it was loud and there was a lotta room left on the amp to increase the volume without farting out the speakers. It was pretty darn amazing.

Anyhow, I loved it and got no complaints from the band or the brides mother or mother-in-law, or grandparents, so, I'm happy.

That's it. I"m gonna put a set of removeable castors on the cabinet, otherwise, we're a happy camper.

Lkaye
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Great review and comments. Very helpful since I'm considering one of the larger Schroeders (a 410). I own or owned most of the same gear that you have or had, and have very similar feelings. My Schroeder 1210, while sounding very colored and 'peaky' when you are just sitting in front of it playing alone, somehow really evens out and punches through in a live situation. If only the 410 was a little ligher (I'm spoiled by the EpiUL line!). FYI... I have a 310UL and a 410UL. It's amazing how different those two cabs are. If you like the sound of the 310UL, but find it 'thinning out a little' at high volumes, etc... the 410UL will fix that problem in a big way. It seems that the 410UL puts out twice the sound or more below (100hz or so) than the 310UL, especially when wumping in a pop or funk situation.

I'm pretty sure that I'm going to take the plunge on the Schroeder 410.... it's still lighter than most non-neo 410's, and given the volume and punch that I get out of the 1210, that 410 must be just amazing. Plus... Jorg is the type of manufacturer that you don't mind giving your money... wonderful, helpful guy who is passionate about his product.
 
#1,997
Maybe it's just the ohmage thing with the 310, but as soon as I went with the 212 which was a 4 ohm cabinet, the volume seemed to double. I was running my LDS cabinets at a combined 2 ohm load (1200 watts) Those cabs sounded very much tone wise like a AGuilar 112...nice lows, not bad highs when the tweeter worked, and scooped mids. I got them sounding pretty good, but the tweeter fuse and my high treble boost just did not get along real well at all.

I will say the cabinet is heavy, especially compared to the 1210. I had help getting it up and down off the stages we played at. There's no way I can personally carry this cab up or down a flight of steps. So I'm going to have to evaluate where to use it not just based on the venue itself but on the lack of stairs, the easiness of ingress egress etc. It's still easier to manuever than the EPI 212 was. It's also slightly smaller than most 410's, definitely smaller then the UL410, but it weighs right around 80 pounds. I would say though that you don't hear reviews or other articles about the UL's saying that it may be a 410 but it's as loud as a lotta 610's or some 810's. I really can say that about this Schroeder. It's really really loud if you want it to be, but it's still the tone that I like and how it gets projected on stage and out into the room. This non traditional design really seems to work well for me.

Larry
 
#1,998
Larry Kaye said:
Maybe it's just the ohmage thing with the 310, but as soon as I went with the 212 which was a 4 ohm cabinet, the volume seemed to double. I was running my LDS cabinets at a combined 2 ohm load (1200 watts) Those cabs sounded very much tone wise like a AGuilar 112...nice lows, not bad highs when the tweeter worked, and scooped mids. I got them sounding pretty good, but the tweeter fuse and my high treble boost just did not get along real well at all.

I will say the cabinet is heavy, especially compared to the 1210. I had help getting it up and down off the stages we played at. There's no way I can personally carry this cab up or down a flight of steps. So I'm going to have to evaluate where to use it not just based on the venue itself but on the lack of stairs, the easiness of ingress egress etc. It's still easier to manuever than the EPI 212 was. It's also slightly smaller than most 410's, definitely smaller then the UL410, but it weighs right around 80 pounds. I would say though that you don't hear reviews or other articles about the UL's saying that it may be a 410 but it's as loud as a lotta 610's or some 810's. I really can say that about this Schroeder. It's really really loud if you want it to be, but it's still the tone that I like and how it gets projected on stage and out into the room. This non traditional design really seems to work well for me.

Larry
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PS.... I noticed you mention a 'high treble boost'. If that's the sound you like (it's definitely the sound I go after), the Selenium tweeter option for Jorg's cabs really sings.... allowing you to get that very sizzly high end if you so choose. I'm not sure that's what sound you are after... but if it is and you are finding you want more sizzle with your Schroeder's, I understand it's an easy swap.
 
#1,999
I'm still using the original strings, now 11 months old on the bass. I like the deader tone, but in order to get any "click" outta them when I want to, using my finger nail, I need to boost everything almost to it's max although I'm leaving the attenuator to around noon. Also, when I first got the Lull bass, I set the treble flat and even had to cut it at a few gigs.

The biggest problem with the major boosting is when running the bass direct instead of mic'ing it. I have to mic the cabinet, frankly which I prefer, knowing that the PA and sound person can't reproduce the sound I'm getting through the cabinet.

LKaye
 
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