Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

[James Hart]

Mark White (Spin Doctors) gave a bass clinic that was amazing and he used my rig and cab for the clinic.
He has a 4 string StingRay.
WOW! He's a jaw-droppingly great player.
Of course, my equipment sounded spectacular.

I'm truely jealous! Mark is one of my favorite players!!! I was just chatting with him, he dug that rig too. The Spin Doctors are playing at a place 15 minutes from my house on the 19th... I cannot wait (anyone check out the new tune yet? new studio stuff is coming out! http://www.spindoctors.com )

 

[Mobay45]

I'm truely jealous! Mark is one of my favorite players!!! I was just chatting with him, he dug that rig too. The Spin Doctors are playing at a place 15 minutes from my house on the 19th... I cannot wait (anyone check out the new tune yet? new studio stuff is coming out! http://www.spindoctors.com )

Did you see the pics?

Go to the Off Topic section and look at the pics in the Texas GTG thread.

Larry

 

[James Hart]

Did you see the pics?

 

[rockstarbassist]

When I use the 21012 and the 1210 I feed them 500 watts each. This is plenty of power for these cabs. I also use the 21012 as a standalone with either 500 watts or 1200 watts. Though I have to admit, I have been thinking about a Plx 3002 with a DB 680 on top.

Sweetness. That's why I was thinking about getting a "medium-large" cab as my 2nd one, as opposed to a 1212 or something, where it can be used alone when needed, and then pair both for a killer combo. Time to start savin'! And this one'll definitely be flight-ready.

 

[John D Harris]

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Mark White (Spin Doctors) gave a bass clinic that was amazing and he used my rig and cab for the clinic.
He has a 4 string StingRay.
WOW! He's a jaw-droppingly great player.
Of course, my equipment sounded spectacular.

Here's a couple of shots I borrowed from Mobay45:

That's my system sitting by the window in the second pic.

 

[John D Harris]

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I had to really kill the Treb. on my Demeter pre, as the Spector's treble is really sizzlin', but now that I think about it, I forgot to unclick the Bright switch on my pre, so go figure... I still need to sit down and correctly EQ the Dem with the Spector, so we'll see.
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RSB,

If you like a really punchy tone, try cutting the treble at the Spector, leave the Dem's 'bright' switch in, the 'bass' switch at 60Hz and the 'presence' switch at 4k.

Then fine-tune the punch factor with the treble, middle, bass, & presence knobs, using the Spector's treble knob to control the excess sizzle.

Especially, try this out at a practice or live gig. You'll be amazed at the punch and cut-through.

After Sat. I really realized how much I like my 201S.
The other preamps sounded great, but punch-wise, I haven't heard anything get it like the Demeter.
[Jan Philips 12AX7WA tubes help too.]
[I'd like to try some Telefunken and Mullards as well.]

 

[zac2944]

Sweetness. That's why I was thinking about getting a "medium-large" cab as my 2nd one, as opposed to a 1212 or something, where it can be used alone when needed, and then pair both for a killer combo. Time to start savin'! And this one'll definitely be flight-ready.

I have asked these questions before and never really got a good answers, so I'll ask them again:

How large of a gig could I expect to play with only one 1212 or 1210? Assume that I have an amp that can push the cab to its fullest.

Can anyone answer from real gigging experience? Has anyone been onstage with only one 1212 or 1210 and thought that they couldn't get loud enought?

I'm thinking of getting a new cab, but don't want to get one of these cabs only to find out that I should have spent a few extra bucks to get a 410 or 21012.

 

[rockstarbassist]

I have asked these questions before and never really got a good answers, so I'll ask them again:

How large of a gig could I expect to play with only one 1212 or 1210? Assume that I have an amp that can push the cab to its fullest.

Can anyone answer from real gigging experience? Has anyone been onstage with only one 1212 or 1210 and thought that they couldn't get loud enought?

I'm thinking of getting a new cab, but don't want to get one of these cabs only to find out that I should have spent a few extra bucks to get a 410 or 21012.

Well it's all about what you need. So far, I haven't played anything close to needing more than my 1210. And, that's using only ONE channel (in stereo) on my amp. I'm pushing the cab about half what it really should be, if that says anything. We're doing a large, large show in a big FBC here next month, and I hope to have a bridgeable Speakon cable by then, so I can run my Peavey amp at full 1500W into the Schro. That should open it up quite nicely. My cab is barely breathing right now, and that's with the full 500W/channel into it.

That being said, my 1210 has been more than enough in the past 6-8 months of having it. However, I always have PA support with both of my bands, so I don't need an overkill rig (say an 8x10 or 310212 or something), which is why I got the 1210 in the first place. But, I may be doing larger gigs in the future, and probably will, and that may require a larger cab or dual-cab configuration at times. So it's all what's right for you. If you usually need a 4x10 at a gig, a 1212 or 1210 will suit you fine. If you're in the 410+115 or 6x10+ camp, a 410 or 21012 will be more in your league. I just at the time and actually still don't need the larger cab, but it'll be nice to have when I need it. One thing I'm learning from the guys here, buy once, and buy right. If you're having doubts, assuage them and go ahead and get the bigger cab. That way you wouldn't be looking back going "Man, I love it, but...". I hate that feeling.

And lo-freq, yeah I usually start with those settings you gave me and go from there. However, I've never seen a bass this hot. The review in BP even mentioned how hot these things are, which is why I have to kill the Bright just to get the Treb under control. But on my passive fretless and active Charvel, I punch it back and use the exact same settings, as they, like you said, cut through and really make that cab pop! The Spector is just so different, I almost need another pre just to get it to sound really good. Not a bad idea, tho... Two Demeter pres in one setup?? Hmm, nice!
Also, do you ever have any problems getting a strong signal to the board using the DI on the Dem? Not sure if you use a DI box or pedal (which both I despise, as I love the Dem's sound), but I seem to get a weak signal sometimes to the board. I know it doesn't have a level out, like most amps do, so I was just wondering. I would rather use that sound than just my bass', without the tubey goodness of my pre. Like you tho, the more I gig this thing, the more amazing it is. It's just perfect!

 

[BurningSkies]

I have asked these questions before and never really got a good answers, so I'll ask them again:

How large of a gig could I expect to play with only one 1212 or 1210? Assume that I have an amp that can push the cab to its fullest.

Can anyone answer from real gigging experience? Has anyone been onstage with only one 1212 or 1210 and thought that they couldn't get loud enought?

I'm thinking of getting a new cab, but don't want to get one of these cabs only to find out that I should have spent a few extra bucks to get a 410 or 21012.

I stopped using a second cab with my 1212. The single cab was enough. Previously, I had been running either a 4x10 or a 4x10 with a 112 on the bottom. The other day we played an outdoor show and it was plenty loud...even my guitar player across the stage was whining about its volume. I'm not up against a Marshall stack, but I do have to play with a very loud drummer, a keyboard player with a few hundred watts, and a guitar player with 2x12 at 40watts. The gig had a medium sized stage, and there were about 1500-2000 people there.

For a while I was bringing my Avatar112 along and stacking, but the Avatar, rated at 500w wasn't keeping up, and I can get much louder and cleaner with the 1212 by itself. For club sized shows I don't think twice about the 1212 alone. For a while I even brought the 112 because our usual sound guy wouldn't believe that the 1212 could hold its own, and I'd just not plug it in.

I run my Mesa 400+ with both channels at the same time, the main volume I run around 5 or 6, and the pre's I run at 4 & 3...
I play a five string, and boost my low end considerably above what most people would do. The cab hasn't reached it's maximum headroom. I initially had a problem keeping the cab sounding clean, but it turns out it was a bad speaker which Jorg replaced no questions asked and without any delay or cost to myself. Since then, its been killer.

I think you do have to push the low a bit harder on this amp to get some boom out of it than you would a traditional cab. BUT it doesn't have any problem handling that low once you give it to the cab.

 

[rockstarbassist]

I think you do have to push the low a bit harder on this amp to get some boom out of it than you would a traditional cab. BUT it doesn't have any problem handling that low once you give it to the cab.

To echo this, my 1210 handled my B on the Spector without even breaking a sweat. I wasn't sure how it was going to hold up, as whenever I get a hold of a 5 or 6er, I love sticking down to that extra string, but it was barely working. I think it laughed at me during one point of the show saying "Honestly, is that all you got?"

 

[BurningSkies]

To echo this, my 1210 handled my B on the Spector without even breaking a sweat. I wasn't sure how it was going to hold up, as whenever I get a hold of a 5 or 6er, I love sticking down to that extra string, but it was barely working. I think it laughed at me during one point of the show saying "Honestly, is that all you got?"

Lately I've been getting together to play with a few guys from work. It's been nice to just play for a few hours a week with no real expectations or any pressure as a playing break from my 'real' band.

Usually for these times I bring my 3500 since its smaller and lighter and still sounds great with the 1212. On Saturday, I brought the 400+ and spend some time going over my tone before playing (nothing like some quality time with yer amp).

We played a few songs and then once we were really playing, and up to full volume...and 'stretching out', I dropped down to low C.

At which point the drummer stopped playing and exclaimed "Oh S***! You didn't tell me your bass was brown note equiped!"

It says a lot for the Schroeder, the Mesa and the Dingwall.Fat and full and low and clean.

 

[natrab]

I dunno, I often play without adequate PA support or any for that matter. The 1212 I had sounded great, but it was easily lost in a large open room with a small PA (competing with two full stacks also came into play - it was with my classic rock cover band). Granted I normally play loud rock/ska music with a drummer who is always trying to murder the drums and a guitarist who is already deaf and likes to turn up.

I now have a 310212 which is enough for just about any situation. For those really big gigs, I always have PA support, so I don't have to worry. The tough ones are the medium to large size bars/clubs with poor acoustics and little to no PA reinforcement.

I also am just about to order a pair of 21012s for a little more scalability and for another reason I won't disclose yet

 

[el_Kabong]

I'm impressed by what I've read about the Schroeders, I think I'll have to get one eventually. One thing about the smaller cabs tho. I'm sure they go extremely loud, but I've never liked a really loud sound from a small box. I've used 2x10's up on a crate as a monitor and had no problem hearing myself but it's like being blasted by a firehose. A bigger cabinet seems to put out a bigger (as opposed to louder or bassier) sound that's I find more inspiring to play with. I don't have a technical explanation for it. Anyone out there who's had the same experience and found a way to get comfortable with small cabs?

 

[rockstarbassist]

I'm impressed by what I've read about the Schroeders, I think I'll have to get one eventually. One thing about the smaller cabs tho. I'm sure they go extremely loud, but I've never liked a really loud sound from a small box. I've used 2x10's up on a crate as a monitor and had no problem hearing myself but it's like being blasted by a firehose. A bigger cabinet seems to put out a bigger (as opposed to louder or bassier) sound that's I find more inspiring to play with. I don't have a technical explanation for it. Anyone out there who's had the same experience and found a way to get comfortable with small cabs?

I understand what you mean about "feeling" your sound as opposed to just hearing it. I used to play with Mesa stacks, big Ampeg and Eden cabs, and while that's good and all, I think what it boils down to for a lot of people is, you get the same, if not more volume in a smaller efficient cab as opposed to the "big rigs". I would bet anyone would have a 4x 810 + 4x 215 setup and a billion watts of power if they had someone to carry it around. However, I don't have a road crew, and really got tired of lugging around a 150lb. + cabinet just to compete with my guitarist and drummer. Now I have a cab that handles MORE power, weighs a 1/3rd of previous gear, and IMO sounds better in a lot of ways. Plus, if you use a monitor plus a rig onstage, there's no real need to have extensive cabinetry.

But yeah, no doubt- as soon as I get "famous", I'm calling Mesa with my order- 2 8x10 Powerhouse cabs and 2 2x15 Powerhouse cabs with 2 MPulse 600's, a 400+ and Big Block 750... And call the guys that'll be carryin' around.

 

[zac2944]

Thanks for you responses guys. I've been thinking about replacing my 210 + 15 rig with just one of the Schroder cabs. It's just hard to believe that they are that good. I guess 2131 TB posts can be wrong.

 

[seansbrew]

I replaced two Ampeg BXT 4x10 hlf cabs ( victor wooten/Steve Bailey sig cabs) with a 21012 and a 1210. The BXT's are some of the most underated cabs on the market. They are deep and rich, but here is the drawback. They weigh 124 lbs. each. So when I needed two for a gig that was 248 lbs worth of cabs on my poor back. That was the main reason for switching. When you get home at 3:00 am after a gig, the weigh goes up to 400lbs. Jorg says his cabs are not designed to be light weight, but compared to the ampegs they are. My rig now weighs 122 lbs. for both pieces (21012/1210). And I am getting more performance out of them, the 21012 has some thundering lows that even the Ampegs could not manage. And now I have ultimate flexibility: 1210 for small gigs , 21012 for medium and both of them for a big gig.

 

[Frankie Fender]

Has anyone else noticed the jump in prices on the Schroeder website? Just when I was about to test the waters...

 

[::::BASSIST::::]

yeah I got my 1210 just before the price increase.

phew!

 

[popinfresh]

EDIT: I'm wrong, never mind

 

[John D Harris]

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Also, do you ever have any problems getting a strong signal to the board using the DI on the Dem? Not sure if you use a DI box or pedal (which both I despise, as I love the Dem's sound), but I seem to get a weak signal sometimes to the board. I know it doesn't have a level out, like most amps do, so I was just wondering. I would rather use that sound than just my bass', without the tubey goodness of my pre. Like you tho, the more I gig this thing, the more amazing it is. It's just perfect!

I've only used the DI a few times -- no problems, but I remember some TBers commenting that it's output was a bit low.