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Schroeder Cabinets ... smart design = very compact ! (regular and lights)

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lo-freq said:
I've only used the DI a few times -- no problems, but I remember some TBers commenting that it's output was a bit low.


Hmm... It just kinda made me wonder cause I've been told that the one tube on the left (if looking at it from above) is the one for the output on the DI and FX loop.

I"m thinking about however getting a small mixer to plug all my stuff into for live situations, as I have 3 basses being used, so I prolly could run something from there to the board instead, eh?
 
40 bucks? I may be wrong, but I thought the prices went up $90-$140

The 1210 used to be $649 + shipping now it is $739 +Shipping, the 410/21012 was $849 now it is $949 and the 3101212 went from $1049 to $1199! and the shipping charges are either the same or have gone up too. Double Yikes! :bawl:
 
Yeah, easily still worth the money for a brand-new cab when compared to some of the other higher priced models out there.

But, there goes the Used market for 'em. :) Plus, I don't think it's too much of a price jump. Almost every major bass manufacturer in the past year or two has really jumped in prices. Modulus by about $400 a bass, Spector about $200, Alembic like $600 or something I read... So, not all bad. Maybe Jorg needs to slow down Demand, so, all of you Eco majors, you do what? Up the Price, and Supply and Demand meet at a better medium! That would be SD1... ;)
 
Current pricing from the website:
The Mini 12 (no horn) is $435.00 + $35.00 shipping,
the Mini 12+ (with horn) is $569.00 + $35.00 shipping.
$739.00 plus $40.00 shipping for the 1210 & 1212
$949.00 plus $55.00 shipping for the 21012 and 410.
$1,199.00 plus $65.00 shipping for the 310212.

I presume the website prices are accurate...Jorg told me they'd be going up after NAMM.

I'm a very happy 1210 and 410 owner...
 
I was only pointing out that there was a recent price increase in case any were interested. I can't speak to the value because I have not played one, but I appreciate those whose opinions think the cabs are still a value, I hear you. Coming from current owners, that speaks a lot.

BTW, I am still considering one, it just sucks that I didn't pull the trigger sooner.
 
seansbrew said:
I still think the cabs are worth the money as well. Jorgs customer care is worth alot.
Heck yeah!

Im on my way top practice now where I will install a new 12 inch speaker into my 3101212. Jorg sent the speaker for free even though it was a malfunctioning Furman RP8 that caused the origional speaker to break. I didnt ask him to, and he refused my offer to pay for it.
 
They are great cabs for sure but I don't know if I'd buy one for the new price. The price is getting close enough to Epifani and EA to make me seriously consider those as an alternative. I'm glad I got mine before the increase. It was at the edge of my budget then so now I would have to pass.
 
I traditionally play at two venues specifically that are an absolute nightmare....usually 2 to 4 gigs a year at each.

I used the 1210 at the one and as I mentioned a couple of times, it may have sounded good out in the room and it may have sounded great near the cabinet, but this place is so screwed up sonically that 10 feet directly in front of the cab (and still behind our rented PA with decent subs) my bass didn't maintain it's "sound" like normal. It did not seem to punch out per usual although the key player, who was 5 feet closer to the cab said I was knocking his dinner right outta him and he's never FELT a bass on stage that loud before. Our drummer and guitarist who were directly to the side of the cabinet rather than in front said they really heard me well for the first time in that room!!! Go figure right?

Venue #2, I used the new 410 I bought (at the old price :p ) and it didn't matter we were on a wood stage, I didn't have any PA support, the room doesn't absorb any db's with a high, echo rich chamber, it sounded great on and off stage.

I'm playing at venue 1 this weekend and will take the 410 with me. I just had removeable casters added so the low end if I leave the wheels on, should hopefully be a little more manageable in this room. As opposed to some of you, I don't have a power amp/preamp to be able to run 2 4 ohm cabs simultaneously. I bought the Schroeders each as a separate single cab solution. Based on how loud the 410 is on stage, I will not need more stage volume anywhere.

My attitude differs from some of you because I don't want to carry two cabinets and another rack system with a preamp, power amp and eq (or a another integrated head that goes down to 2 ohms) and power conditioner + two REASONABLY weighted cabinets....47 and 78 or so pounds to a gig.

If I ever needed a 1210 and 410 together to get enough volume at a venue, off or on stage, I can guarantee you everyone in the band will be going home with significant hearing loss. My one band has already told the drummer to stop pounding the piss outta his drums and turn down...AND grow up!!! I've never heard anybody play so freakin' loud in my life. There's more to dynamics than having only two volume levels, extremely loud and excrutiating loud.

He's turned down. Our keyboard player bought his own keyboard amp and now he's amazingly too loud, with no dynamics. We've told him either learn how to use the volume pedal or leave your freakin amp at home. In the meantime, these threats and their consequent "adjustments" have meant that with the exception of Venue 1 and 2 above, and a couple of outdoor gigs, I can use the 1210, Focus 600 head with eq and power conditioner, and have a fairly portable, 60 total pounds of clean, clear, and punch, great sounding, very hearable bass. And when the venue/support calls for it, can get away with 93 pounds using a 410 + focus/eq/and power conditioner.

Those are my "limits".....weight and ohmage (money too!!! :rollno: )

Schroeders offer the bass world new single cabinet choices, and even at the new prices are extremely competitive with mid and upper level cabinets. Like someone else said, it's still a bargain depending on your point of view. The other cabinets just mentioned, EA for instance, personal experience, the CXL 112 can't handle 1/2 the volume of the 1210. It sounds great, but you need two of them. Sure, one CXL112 with Schro's new pricing might be less expensive but X2, + over 90 pounds combined vs 47 and there's your real world comparison. I think the two EA CXL112's would be a killer rig if you have $1500 with shipping lying around and don't mind shlepping 100 pounds in and outta every gig.

I've owned Epifani NYC 310 and 212's, but not the UL's of either. The Schro 1210 and I imagine the 1212 also will smoke the 310, and I feel my 410 schro smokes the 212 epi I owned, I think the 1210 or 1212 will give the 212 epi a run for it volume wise, close to the amount booty and oomph, but the Schro is much cleaner and hearable on stage. The Epi 212 may have projected more bottom into the room, which isn't always good or bad, but again it weighed 80 pounds and was extremely awkward to lift and handle. I believe the new UL's are likely great cabs and everyone's gonna have an opinion on how they sound. For $1600 I have two choices one of which will sound good in that venue with that band.

You can't say that about EA or Epifani. I'm happy.

Lkaye
 
Frankie Fender,
Sorry but I've never bridged the amp into the 1210. Running just one channel at 900W into 4 ohms is more power then I could use at the places we play. I've mostly used my WT550 and at a mere 500 watts it gets VERY loud. Bridging the CA9 would be unbelievable.
Lex
 
Larry Kaye said:
I can use the 1210, Focus 600 head with eq and power conditioner, and have a fairly portable, 60 total pounds of clean, clear, and punch, great sounding, very hearable bass. And when the venue/support calls for it, can get away with 93 pounds using a 410 + focus/eq/and power conditioner.



Lkaye

Larry, have you tried to power the Schroeder 1210 and 410 together with the Focus?
 
Lex P. said:
Frankie Fender,
Sorry but I've never bridged the amp into the 1210. Running just one channel at 900W into 4 ohms is more power then I could use at the places we play. I've mostly used my WT550 and at a mere 500 watts it gets VERY loud. Bridging the CA9 would be unbelievable.
Lex


I agree. I just had my first gig using my new Peavey PV1500 amp, and at "just" 500W/channel, this thing smoked. They asked me to turn down onstage b/c I was having more projection from the back corner than what the PA was putting out... :cool: I want to try it out at 1500W bridged tho. And I have a gig coming up that just might require it!
 
I haven't tried it. In speaking with the "man" at Acoustic Image, he said the rig could be stable at 2 ohms but not with a lotta bottom end added/boosted in his opinion. I've found the Schroeders both tend to sound "better" as they're turned up. I'd prefer to use one of them and crank the Focus more to get up to gig volume than see if there's a way to schlepp another 80 pounds or 47 pounds of cabinets. So far, I've not been lacking volume at any gig. The only thing the 1210 lacked, on only one gig was projecting the close in tone out far enough directly in front of the cab for ME to be comfortable. It was plenty loud.

Hope this answers the question....no I've never tried hookin both of them up together with the focus as of now.

LKaYE
 
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